Maine’s top election official removes Trump from 2024 primary ballot

[jinjuku]

Was it learned though?

Is he currently in office?

 

[GO-NAD!]

We'll I'm certainly more in favor of your scenario then saying truck it to the current process. We will as a nation have to take our lumps if we collectively vote him back in. That's the lesson to learn.

I predict that he will be running for president this Fall. I wish I had your confidence that a sufficient number of voters have learned their lesson.

 

[GO-NAD!]

Was it learned though?

Is he currently in office?

That is not an answer to my question.

 

[isolar8001]

And when he is found guilty of a charge that also precludes him from eligibility you'll have your answer. To some this is going to look like political persecution and anyone that your opponent wants rid of that badly by any means is often THE ONE to vote for some. It's the martyr complex. And yes it's all politically motivated because if he wasn't running for president the other business suites wouldn't be brought at all like they have been. That is what it is regardless of my personal feelings towards him. I was born at night, just not last night.

I think he needs to be accountable for the vast pressure to 'find votes'. If he's found guilty of anything I hope it's that.

Wow...that was a load of complete horse$hit. Sounds like you MAGA cap is on too tight today...loosen that band in the back, the plastic thingy with the tab and holes.

 

[Dude#1279435]

And when he is found guilty of a charge that also precludes him from eligibility you'll have your answer. To some this is going to look like political persecution and anyone that your opponent wants rid of that badly by any means is often THE ONE to vote for some. It's the martyr complex. And yes it's all politically motivated because if he wasn't running for president the other business suites wouldn't be brought at all like they have been. That is what it is regardless of my personal feelings towards him. I was born at night, just not last night.

I think he needs to be accountable for the vast pressure to 'find votes'. If he's found guilty of anything I hope it's that.

Documents. If he refused to return them when asked to, and than destroyed evidence. That might be difficult to overcome.

 

[jinjuku]

Wow...that was a load of complete horse$hit. Sounds like you MAGA cap is on too tight today...loosen that band in the back, the plastic thingy with the tab and holes.

Hey ahole I never voted for him. But I'm not blind to the incredible amount of windmilling going on. We successfully voted him out. A cudgel used on a goose is equally used on a gander. That's the point.

 

[jinjuku]

Documents. If he refused to return them when asked to, and than destroyed evidence. That might be difficult to overcome.

Great. Convict him of it and remove him from the ballots. Do it the right way. I don't want to wake up one day in the future and seeing my state remove candidates from the rolls with no due process.

Was it Stalin that coined the phrase 'Useful idiots'? We already have that with the hard core Trumpers. No need to join them.

 

[Dude#1279435]

Reminds me of that one where Trump said when he takes classified documents home they are now unclassified. Why? Because he said so.

 

[isolar8001]

Hey ahole I never voted for him. But I'm not blind to the incredible amount of windmilling going on. We successfully voted him out. A cudgel used on a goose is equally used on a gander. That's the point.

You would be just as bad then as him crying "election interference" if that's what you are calling "windmilling".
It takes time for the kind of Indictments he's up against...he should be off all ballots for being up on charges, convicted or not.

Charges that were brought by the best of the best. Charges that he will be found guilty of.
So far, he has been found guilty in both cases that have went before judge and jury...not a good trend.

Election officials have a duty to keep riff-raff away from public office until they have been vetted.

 

[Dude#1279435]

My memory might be foggy but I seem to remember along those lines. I love how Trump implicates himself. The documents just were declassified when he took them home. Nothing about I had _____ declassify them first LOL.

 

[isolar8001]

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[jinjuku]

You would be just as bad then as him crying "election interference" if that's what you are calling "windmilling".
It takes time for the kind of Indictments he's up against...he should be off all ballots for being up on charges, convicted or not.

Charges that were brought by the best of the best. Charges that he will be found guilty of.
So far, he has been found guilty in both cases that have went before judge and jury...not a good trend.

Election officials have a duty to keep riff-raff away from public office until they have been vetted.

I think the election deniers are just as problematic. Never said otherwise. It's innocent until proven guilty or have you forgotten that?

I get a chuckle every time I see a 1/6er get a nice 2 - 3 year sentence. It's poetic.

I know things take time and the judicial levers and gears have been pulled on as hard as they can to get to trial quicker is what you do in your situation of what's best for the U.S. in letting him get found guilty or exonerated as quickly as possible to make the next presidential election cycle a clear clarion call about what the public wants.

 

[isolar8001]

It's innocent until proven guilty or have you forgotten that?

That's a law from the dark ages that needs to change....when you have criminals on tape/camera, like the shooter here in Pittsburgh that shot up Tree of Life Synagogue ...do we really need to prove him guilty ?
His trial should have taken 20 minutes.

 

[jinjuku]

That's a law from the dark ages that needs to change....when you have criminals on tape/camera, like the shooter here in Pittsburgh that shot up Tree of Life Synagogue ...do we really need to prove him guilty ?
His trial should have taken 20 minutes.

You can move to another country where the grass is greener...

 

[Mr._Clark]

Great. Convict him of it and remove him from the ballots. Do it the right way. I don't want to wake up one day in the future and seeing my state remove candidates from the rolls with no due process.

Was it Stalin that coined the phrase 'Useful idiots'? We already have that with the hard core Trumpers. No need to join them.

Article 14 of the Constitution:

>>>Section 3 Disqualification from Holding Office
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.<<<

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/amendment-14/section-3/

You can get angry and call people names, but it does not change the Constitution to say a criminal conviction is required.

With regards to due process, Trump is free to make whatever arguments he wants in court (procedural due process), and he will not be deprived of a fundamental right to freedom (substantive due process) if he is not on a ballot. You will not "wake up one day in the future and seeing my state remove candidates from the rolls with no due process" regardless of the outcome in the Trump cases.

 

[Mr._Clark]

That's a law from the dark ages that needs to change....when you have criminals on tape/camera, like the shooter here in Pittsburgh that shot up Tree of Life Synagogue ...do we really need to prove him guilty ?
His trial should have taken 20 minutes.

I have to disagree that it's "a law from the dark ages that needs to change." The U.S. Supreme Court has held that the presumption of innocence is required by the Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment in criminal cases:

>>>Held: On the facts, the trial court's refusal to give petitioner's requested instruction on the presumption of innocence resulted in a violation of his right to a fair trial as guaranteed by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.<<<

Taylor v. Kentucky, 436 U.S. 478 (1978)

Taylor v. Kentucky

supreme.justia.com

This does not mean that we are all required to pretend we are morons, but the presumption and jury instructions in court are required. As I see it, amending the constitution to eliminate the presumption would be more akin to the legal processes during the dark ages.

As a practical matter, it's rare (but not unheard of) for a defendant to be found innocent if there is overwhelming evidence of guilt.

 

[jinjuku]

Article 14 of the Constitution:

>>>Section 3 Disqualification from Holding Office
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.<<<

Not sure how this abrogates the due process clause. Again, as I said earlier, this will need to see SCOTUS.

You are acting like I said he did or didn't do something. I'm arguing he's allowed due process.

The 5th Amendment:​

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No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.​

 

[Dude#1279435]

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I can see it now. Will go down as a Top 25 toy collector classic.

Might want to make a Trump janitor one. The full work suit with the trash can with rolling wheels and a broom. What he will be doing for a living if he were to go bankrupt.

 

[mtrycrafts]

...I'd like to think one where when it comes down to it we allow for due process. Who knows you might even need it some day.

Due process? This is about qualifications, not guilt. Would one need the courts involved if a 32-year-old wants to run or take him to court all the way up for a decision and due process? Oh, this is covered in the 14th amendment. Maybe Arnold should have run after his governorship in CA. Let the people decide.
There is no loss of freedom if removed from ballot, nor any fine to be paid by him, nor anything else. One is qualified first or not.

 

[mtrycrafts]

You are equating volume with quantity. The bullhorn doesn't get a vote.

It does when you ask a schoolboard to ban certain books. One group, out of state is doing most of the protests at out of state schoolboard. Volume indeed.