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[BoredSysAdmin]

I read the Monoprice SW-15 review and I'm afraid of this:

"The rapid fall-off above 80Hz puts this sub at a bit of a disadvantage. That means that the SW-15 isn’t really suitable for crossover frequencies above 80Hz. It’s NOT a subwoofer I would use with small bookshelf speakers that usually need a higher crossover frequency in order not to have a gap in the mid-bass response. However, those with full-sized bookshelf speakers as well as tower speakers should be fine. This lack of upper-frequency extension also works against multi-sub setups where placement can address acoustic problems above 80Hz."

Do you think I will have a problem with the C5s and B5s with this sub?

All subs in your price point will have some sort of "hump" response. You'd have to go to something like RSL Speedwoofer 10S MKII to avoid it, but it's $150 extra. James said small bookshelf speakers, and I won't call Audition C4 "small." Like I said, C5 would have better integration with that sub, and you wouldn't have these issues. C5 FR range spec down to 73hz, you could probably set your receiver crossover at 70 or 80 and have good results.

@shadyJ - Would Monolith SW-15 with Audition C5 speakers for LCR be an okay match?


I agree with @isolar8001 - I missed the Dirac feature - then yes, the Pio is probably fine.
As far as audio streaming options, I don't use them on AVR, so I wouldn't know how important or not these to you.

 

[Serrano]

The Denon X2800H doesn't fit into my budget which I've actually already increased a bit. So far, the setup is as follows:

3 x Monolith by Monoprice Audition C5 Center Channel Speaker – USD 300
2 x Monolith by Monoprice Audition B5 Bookshelf Speaker – USD 90
1 x Monoprice SW-15 15in 600 Watt RMS – USD 300
1 x Pioneer VSX-LX305 Elite 9.2 Channel – USD 699

However, I still have concerns regarding the review I mentioned above about the sub "...It’s NOT a subwoofer I would use with small bookshelf speakers that usually need a higher crossover frequency in order not to have a gap in the mid-bass response. However, those with full-sized bookshelf speakers as well as tower speakers should be fine."

Do you think I will have a problem with the C5s and B5s with this sub? Do you think I need something else for the set up?

I'm thinkinabout the Monolith by Monoprice ENCORE C5 and B5, but they weigh much more, and I have to pay $100 for each luggage with max 23kg...

 

[isolar8001]

The Denon X2800H doesn't fit into my budget which I've actually already increased a bit. So far, the setup is as follows:

3 x Monolith by Monoprice Audition C5 Center Channel Speaker – USD 300
2 x Monolith by Monoprice Audition B5 Bookshelf Speaker – USD 90
1 x Monoprice SW-15 15in 600 Watt RMS – USD 300
1 x Pioneer VSX-LX305 Elite 9.2 Channel – USD 699

However, I still have concerns regarding the review I mentioned above about the sub "...It’s NOT a subwoofer I would use with small bookshelf speakers that usually need a higher crossover frequency in order not to have a gap in the mid-bass response. However, those with full-sized bookshelf speakers as well as tower speakers should be fine."

Do you think I will have a problem with the C5s and B5s with this sub? Do you think I need something else for the set up?

699 for the Pioneer ?? I paid 1200 for mine when it came out....where do you see that, and if its legit, buy it now !!

 

[Serrano]

The Monoprice SW-15 will be a problem. I just have see that this weigh 30kg, so I will have to pay $200 to checked it in my fly. Perhaps it would be more reasonable to spend up to $100 more on a better subwoofer, but one that weighs up to 23kg.

The Pioneer:

Amazon.com

 

[lovinthehd]

The Monoprice SW-15 will be a problem. I just have see that this weigh 30kg, so I will have to pay $200 to checked it in my fly. Perhaps it would be more reasonable to spend up to $100 more on a better subwoofer, but one that weighs up to 23kg.

The Pioneer:

Amazon.com

A thought would be just to take home a driver and amp and build the appropriate cabinet in Brazil.

 

[Serrano]

A thought would be just to take home a driver and amp and build the appropriate cabinet in Brazil.

It's a good idea, but I don't know anything about building a subwoofer; I believe it's somewhat complex to do.

 

[lovinthehd]

It's a good idea, but I don't know anything about building a subwoofer; I believe it's somewhat complex to do.

Lots of help on this and other sites availble to do diy subs. Subwoofers are the least complex speaker to build, just takes an appropriate driver (Dayton has several) and build the box per the driver's t/s parameters (via software). Many diy sub designss out there to copy, particularly using Dayton drivers. Sealed would be a simpler box to build, but ported/vented not that much more difficult depending on your tools/woodworking skills. Just an idea if it clicked with you! Often can get much higher performance for the $ this way, too.

 

[Serrano]

Thank you very much for the idea and for the attention!!
I will try to research about DIY subs before my trip, but if I end up not having the necessary skills, I might have to get the X for $299 + $200 for airplane shipping = $499. Even so, it would still be less than half the prices of the subwoofers here in Brazil, which perform much worse!

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

Lovin has a good idea. Building a sealed sub is basically building a simple wooden cube box with a round hole cut on one side. Even if you outsource to someone locally, it is probably still cheap in Brazil.

 

[shadyJ]

All subs in your price point will have some sort of "hump" response. You'd have to go to something like RSL Speedwoofer 10S MKII to avoid it, but it's $150 extra. James said small bookshelf speakers, and I won't call Audition C4 "small." Like I said, C5 would have better integration with that sub, and you wouldn't have these issues. C5 FR range spec down to 73hz, you could probably set your receiver crossover at 70 or 80 and have good results.

@shadyJ - Would Monolith SW-15 with Audition C5 speakers for LCR be an okay match?


I agree with @isolar8001 - I missed the Dirac feature - then yes, the Pio is probably fine.
As far as audio streaming options, I don't use them on AVR, so I wouldn't know how important or not these to you.

C5s with an SW-15 should be OK with equalization. Thankfully, while the SW-15 has a roll-off in upper bass, it has so much headroom that you could probably still get a reasonable response with some EQ on the sub.

 

[Serrano]

Hey everybody! After researching, I'm thinking about making a DIY Subwoofer, but I have some beginner questions. I'm considering using the Dayton Audio MX15-22 15" along with the Behringer NX3000 amplifier. How can I connect the subwoofer to the amplifier and the amplifier to the Receiver (Pioneer VSX-LX305) so that I can perform the EQ?

 

[lovinthehd]

Hey everybody! After researching, I'm thinking about making a DIY Subwoofer, but I have some beginner questions. I'm considering using the Dayton Audio MX15-22 15" along with the Behringer NX3000 amplifier. How can I connect the subwoofer to the amplifier and the amplifier to the Receiver (Pioneer VSX-LX305) so that I can perform the EQ?

Your pre-out on the avr would go to the amp, and since it doesn't have rca inputs you'll need a converter/adapter from rca to xlr or trs for the amp's inputs; for output to the sub the connectors provided are speakon, and I'd also get a speakon terminal for the sub, too (what I use). FWIW Crown XLS amps (what I use) has rca input as well as trs and xlr....and keep in mind the Behringer spec is a bit inflated.

 

[Serrano]

I understand! From Crown, I saw the Crown Pro XLi800 for $346. But it describes as follows:

"RMS Power @ 4 Ohms: 300 Watts x 2 Channels. RMS Power @ 8 Ohms: 200 Watts x 2 Channels. RMS Power @ 8 Ohms Bridged: 600 Watts x 1."

Is it possible to bridge it at 4 Ohms (final) to increase the provided power? How much would it provide?

 

[lovinthehd]

I'd look at the XLS series instead. Bridging can give you more power but it says 8 ohms, subs are generally 4 ohm. Bridging is at the expense of lower impedance capability....and the XLS are rated to 2 ohm and can be bridged for 4 ohm. IMO the best use of a two ch amp would be to use it with two subs, tho....helps out on the total cost thing....

ps One thing the Behringer NX has that neither of these series of Crowns have is dsp/eq (the Crowns have some dsp, but more about a crossover between the two channels).

 

[Serrano]

I'd look at the XLS series instead. Bridging can give you more power but it says 8 ohms, subs are generally 4 ohm. Bridging is at the expense of lower impedance capability....and the XLS are rated to 2 ohm and can be bridged for 4 ohm. IMO the best use of a two ch amp would be to use it with two subs, tho....helps out on the total cost thing....

ps One thing the Behringer NX has that neither of these series of Crowns have is dsp/eq (the Crowns have some dsp, but more about a crossover between the two channels).

However, the XLS series is more expensive, and I've already exceeded my budget. Regarding the EQ, my intention was to use the Pioneer VSX-LX305, am I correct?

 

[lovinthehd]

However, the XLS series is more expensive, and I've already exceeded my budget. Regarding the EQ, my intention was to use the Pioneer VSX-LX305, am I correct?

Via MCACC or DIRAC?

 

[Serrano]

Via MCACC or DIRAC?

I wish to use DIRAC if possible

 

[lovinthehd]

I wish to use DIRAC if possible

I am not up on Dirac capabilities as far as eq'g a sub goes, or which version of Dirac would be beset.....maybe @PENG can help .....you're planning on a sealed sub rather than ported/vented? What model for the box did you find for that driver?

 

[Serrano]

I am not up on Dirac capabilities as far as eq'g a sub goes, or which version of Dirac would be beset.....maybe @PENG can help .....you're planning on a sealed sub rather than ported/vented? What model for the box did you find for that driver?

I'm considering a vented box around 200 liters using the MX15-22 voice coils in series so that the system will have 4 Ohms. I'm thinking of installing an XLR terminal on the box to connect it to the NX3000 and getting an RCA to XLR adapter to connect it to the Pioneer VSX-LX305 (if I understood correctly from what you said earlier, this would be the connection).

For the box, I'm using WinISD to create a design, and here in Brazil, I have a carpenter friend who will help me with the wood work.

 

[lovinthehd]

Does that box design indicate a high pass filter below tuning point is necessary to help protect the driver? That would be where the dsp/eq in the Behringer would be better than the two Crown series of amps, and unlikely anything your avr can provide.

XLR is for an interconnect between components, not to speakers/subs (unless they're active/powered type where you're just connecting to an amp built in). Speakon is a type of connector from amp to speaker/sub https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speakon_connector....