Electric Vehicles?

[ryanosaur]

Those 5 charging sessions cost $105. On the road, Electrify America charges 48¢ per kWh, but at home I pay much less. I'll have to look closer at my next electricity bill to see what I pay per kWh at home.

In comparison, 2½ or 3 tanks (15 gallons) of gas (about $3.40/gallon?) would cost $127 for 2½ tanks, or $153 for 3 full tanks. Gas is expensive and the price never goes down for long. But, in fairness, electricity also doesn't get cheaper. In the USA, gas is subsidized by the US Govt. In Europe, gas cost (2019 in the UK) more than $6/gallon.

Electrify America offers different payment plans depending on how much you drive and where in the USA you charge up. When I signed up I chose their plan with no monthly charges plus 48¢ per kWh for what I took. They have other plans for people who charge up on the road more frequently – $4 monthly fee plus 38¢ (?) per kWh. While charging up, I spoke with someone who drove long road trips regularly. He said the $4 per month plan paid for itself quickly.

When I was first visiting the local Tesla store for my test drive, they said to another potential buyer that the Superchargers are always less expensive than gas but pricing will be dependent on the "landlord" who has them installed...
This particular Tesla Store is at the same interchange as a large commercial shopping district heavily developed on both sides of the freeway and has Superchargers on either side. The Tesla associate commented that they charge different rates /kWh but either was still a better deal than gassing up, fwiw.

If I switch to a TOU rate plan with our electric company (PG&E), they will charge .26/kWh off peak (midnight-3:30pm).

 

[Swerd]

.48 a kWh, wow if you ever make it up to Fairport , NY they have free chargers !

I just did a quick Google Maps search for electric charging stations in Fairport, NY. I found 17 of them. Zoom in and you may find more.

All are 6.5 to 7.2 kW chargers with J1772 plugs. That will recharge my car slower than in my garage at home. They're useful for local people who don't have home chargers.

Price rates per kWh were not given, but all looked commercial to me.

 

[Mikado463]

I just did a quick Google Maps search for electric charging stations in Fairport, NY. I found 17 of them. Zoom in and you may find more.

All are 6.5 to 7.2 kW chargers with J1772 plugs. That will recharge my car slower than in my garage at home. They're useful for local people who don't have home chargers.

Price rates per kWh were not given, but all looked commercial to me.

oh well, I tried ! LOL ! but 'Free is Free' ! Look at it it this way , Fairport has a nice railroad viewing platform that you can watch the trains roll by

Welcome to Fairport, NY

www.village.fairport.ny.us

 

[Mikado463]

Tesla charging data ........

So, How Much Does It Cost to Charge a Tesla?

Driving a Model 3, Model Y, Model S, or Model X is only cheaper than a gas car if you plug in at the right places.

www.motortrend.com

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

another EV viewpoint .........

https://www.cfact.org/2023/05/13/death-of-the-ev-dream-er-nightmare/

Cfact has an interesting Wiki page which I recommend reading at your free time:

Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Let me quote a few lines:
"The organization rejects the scientific consensus on climate change "

"Peabody Energy funded CFACT before its bankruptcy as did Robert E. Murray's Murray Energy before its bankruptcy " - So funded (at least in past) by Energy (ie: Gas and Oil) companies

"CFACT is a member organization of the Cooler Heads Coalition, which rejects climate science, is known to promote falsehoods about climate change and has been characterized as a leader in efforts to stop the government from addressing climate change.[15][16] CFACT chapters have protested in defense of oil exploration[17][failed verification] and in opposition to the Kyoto Protocol.[18][19] CFACT supports drilling for oil in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge as well as hydraulic fracturing (fracking) in natural gas and oil-rich regions of the country.[20][21]"


Climate Hustle documentary
The 2016 documentary film Climate Hustle, co-written and presented by Marc Morano of climate change denial group ClimateDepot, was produced by "CFACT Presents", with the organization's president and executive director, David Rothbard and Craig Rucker, receiving executive producer credits.[22][23] Aired in around 400 theaters across the United States on May 2, 2016, the film mocks climate science through a series of interviews with climate change deniers as well as commentary by Morano.[24] Ars Technica likened the film's style to a "Gish Gallop", calling it "a fast-paced, uninterrupted delivery of superficial and false claims about climate science" which forms "an 80-minute-long list of all the climate 'skeptic' blogosphere's favorite claims".[25]

 

[Swerd]

@BoredSysAdmin – Thanks for the heads up about CFACT.

They are a semi-hidden shill for Big Oil. Essentially, they're no different than the so called doctors who were shills for the vaccine deniers, or those who said smoking tobacco was not a lung cancer or emphysema threat.

 

[Trell]

@BoredSysAdmin – Thanks for the heads up about CFACT.

They are a semi-hidden shill for Big Oil. Essentially, they're no different than the so called doctors who were shills for the vaccine deniers, or those who said smoking tobacco was not a lung cancer or emphysema threat.

Just the usual suspects of this forum, like Mikado, spreading disinformation and lies.

 

[Swerd]

On my recent road trip, I spoke with others while we were charging our cars, and learned of their 3-year free charging promotion from Electrify America they got when they bought their new EVs. They said "ask your dealer" because they didn't get this unless they asked.

Today I learned that Volvo does indeed offer this. My dealer is 'hunting down' the promo code for me . So, I'm glad I asked.

Anyone buying a new EV should definitely ask their dealer about an Electrify America Promotion. Here's the details I can get:

Volvo and Polestar now offer buyers complimentary charging access for three years. Volvo's Electrify America plan comprises 250 kWh worth of charging over three years, followed by a free 12-month Electrify America Pass+ membership subscription when the 250 kWh is exhausted. Volvo EV buyers need to download the Electrify America mobile app to get this offer, which can then be used to start and stop charging remotely. I already have one, so I must provide the promotion code and my car's VIN number.

On my road trip, I paid $105 for 208 kWh of charging. So 250 kWh worth of charging is worth about $126. Over 3 years, that isn't a whole lot, but it's something.

Once I use up that 250 kWh free charging, I can get EA's Pass+ subscription for another year without paying the $4/month fee ($48 for a year). It offers 38¢/kWh charging rates instead of the 48¢/kWh I can get without the subscription. So that adds more to the promotion.

How To Get 3 Years Of Free DC Fast Charging For Your Volvo EV

Applies to 2022 models and newer.

screenrant.com

 

[Trell]

Today I learned that Volvo does indeed offer this. My dealer is 'hunting down' the promo code for me . So, I'm glad I asked.

You mean Volvo Cars that has the Chinese company Geely as the majority owner, and this is what a consumer sees. Volvo Trucks has Geely as a minority owner.

 

[j_garcia]

Geely now owns Lotus also.

 

[Swerd]

Earlier in this thread, I mentioned what it cost to charge an EV at a DC Fast charger while on the road: 38¢/kWh with a $4/month fixed fee, or $0.48/kWh with no fee.

I was finally able to learn what I pay for electricity where I live in Montgomery County, Maryland. On my recent road trip, I could charge slowly (5-8 hours) at home for $0.14/kWh, or quickly (under 1 hour) on the road for $0.48/kWh.

I hadn't realized electric power rates are so complex. Potomac Electric Power Company (PEPCO) has standard flat rates that vary in the summer or winter. It also offers time-of-use rates that change each day with peak or off-peak hours. Now, I pay the standard flat rates.

I can choose off-peak hours for my dishwasher, washing machine, and car charger, and I can program my home air conditioner to use less power during summer peak hours. But I can't predict if switching from standard to time-of-use rates will cost less. I'll have to try it both ways to see if it matters.

Trying to win one over the electric power company is like trying to beat the house gambling in a casino . But, it's been months since I paid any money to Big Oil .

 

[Mikado463]

hey Swerd, 'finally able to learn what you pay for electricity' ??? Don't you ever look at your utility bill ??

 

[Mikado463]

. But, it's been months since I paid any money to Big Oil .

I doubt that, like you have nothing made of plastic in your house !

 

[Swerd]

@Mikado463

Is that all you got? Your cheap shots fail at defending Big Oil.

 

[Mikado463]

@Mikado463

Is that all you got? Your cheap shots fail at defending Big Oil.

and where was I defending 'Big Oil', rather stating fact. So, is that all YOU got ? !

 

[Mikado463]

could USA be next ?

Europe Abandons All-Electric Car Mandate - LewRockwell

France24 and the Wall Street Journal (paywall-free link) report that the EU abandoned its much-ballyhooed transition to electric cars, which was supposed to culminate with a total ban on gasoline cars in 2035. The EU’s reversal allows “the sales of new cars with combustion engines that run on...

www.lewrockwell.com

 

[cpp]

and where was I defending 'Big Oil', rather stating fact. So, is that all YOU got ? !

We have so much stuff in our homes made of plastic that comes from oil, and maybe even from the Saudi's.

My neighbor and I were talking about his Ford Lightning and its 131 Kwh battery and his charging cost. Cost him close to $15.00 at home for a full charge. If I can remember back, FLA Power and Light charged me a whopping $18.13 to fully charge my 2020 100 Kwh Model S at home. Still cheaper than a gal of gas.

 

[GO-NAD!]

I took my EV out on a 15,000-kilometre transcontinental road trip. - Macleans.ca

“I’m already looking forward to my next trip”

macleans.ca

 

[Alex2507]

 

[Swerd]

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And that's with a Tesla! I've seen quite a lot more Tesla Supercharger stations on the road than any station I could use.

FWIW, Ford and Tesla recently announced a deal where Ford EVs will be able to recharge at Tesla Superchargers.

If Tesla can do this with Ford, it can do this with any EV with J1772/CCS type receptacles. It's probably only a matter of money.

Ford EVs will use Tesla charging tech in surprise partnership between rival automakers

Under the agreement current Ford owners will be granted access to more than 12,000 Tesla Superchargers across the U.S. and Canada, starting early next year.

www.nbcnews.com