Don't usually pay much attention to Bill Maher, but he mirrors my thoughts on this one....

[lovinthehd]

 

[Dude#1279435]

I think some on the right will tell you it's a representative Republic, but that can imply things like a one-party system. Obviously that can lead to problems like a lack of responsibility for one's actions. Today I think it means using voter confidence to reduce ballot drop offs.

 

[SithZedi]

Ah Bill. He made some interesting points but left out a few others that may have helped his case. Certainly before Repubs reaction to the results in 2020, there were no examples of Dems disagreeing with election results prior. To believe that one would have to ignore just about every Hillary (and close Dem colleagues) interviews since 2016 which she states straight up that the election was stolen. Stacey Abrams? She's made a career of it. So these two "major" figures on the political scene didn't accept the will of the people did they? They set a poor example for the Repubs. Bill's argument would have been better to say this.

Interesting, the first two clips presented as Repubs against "democracy" were certainly out of context. They were talking about mob democracy vs Republic as set up at the foundation. They are not advocating for a dictatorship or authoritarian form of government. As for the latter forms of government, three things are distinctive about them. Censorship, or restricting free speech, seizure of private property, and a powerful centralized government. The question voters should be asking themselves is: Which party is more likely to support those policies? Politicians of either party who would support those policies are acting 'unconstitutionally". If the country decides to amend the constitution to allow for that well let's call for a Convention and get it over with.

On voting, I'm with the dude. Historically, other countries restrict mail-in ballots and require Voter ID because the potential for fraud is too great. I'm sure we'll disagree on this but that's democracy.

Why Do Most Countries Ban Mail-In Ballots?: They Have Seen Massive Vote Fraud Problems

Thirty-seven states have so far changed their mail-in voting procedures this year in response to the Coronavirus. Despite frequent claims that President Trump’s

papers.ssrn.com

 

[Dude#1279435]

Ah Bill. He made some interesting points but left out a few others that may have helped his case. Certainly before Repubs reaction to the results in 2020, there were no examples of Dems disagreeing with election results prior. To believe that one would have to ignore just about every Hillary (and close Dem colleagues) interviews since 2016 which she states straight up that the election was stolen. Stacey Abrams? She's made a career of it. So these two "major" figures on the political scene didn't accept the will of the people did they? They set a poor example for the Repubs. Bill's argument would have been better to say this.

Interesting, the first two clips presented as Repubs against "democracy" were certainly out of context. They were talking about mob democracy vs Republic as set up at the foundation. They are not advocating for a dictatorship or authoritarian form of government. As for the latter forms of government, three things are distinctive about them. Censorship, or restricting free speech, seizure of private property, and a powerful centralized government. The question voters should be asking themselves is: Which party is more likely to support those policies? Politicians of either party who would support those policies are acting 'unconstitutionally". If the country decides to amend the constitution to allow for that well let's call for a Convention and get it over with.

On voting, I'm with the dude. Historically, other countries restrict mail-in ballots and require Voter ID because the potential for fraud is too great. I'm sure we'll disagree on this but that's democracy.

Why Do Most Countries Ban Mail-In Ballots?: They Have Seen Massive Vote Fraud Problems

Thirty-seven states have so far changed their mail-in voting procedures this year in response to the Coronavirus. Despite frequent claims that President Trump’s

papers.ssrn.com

I think what I was saying is Republicans are using the legal procedures of reducing ballot boxes because they know Democrats vote by mail more.

 

[SithZedi]

I think what I was saying is Republicans are using the legal procedures of reducing ballot boxes because they know Democrats vote by mail more.

OK, thank you for clarifying that sentence. There are many, from both sides will say there is a problem with voting depending on how an election will swing. Voter fraud, if proven, must be prevented to the greatest degree possible. It disenfranchises both sides. To say it doesn't happen is to deny US history and current reality. Is it enough to swing an election? It has to be proven, the below is just one example:

19 aliens charged with voter fraud in North Carolina following ICE investigation

A federal grand jury in Wilmington charged seven foreign nationals on August 31 on federal felony charges including falsely claiming U.S. citizenship or making false statements on voter registration application, and with misdemeanor charges of unlawfully casting ballots in the 2016 presidential...

www.ice.gov

This is the trend in NYC, although for local elections, for now.

Why Do Most Countries Ban Mail-In Ballots?: They Have Seen Massive Vote Fraud Problems

Thirty-seven states have so far changed their mail-in voting procedures this year in response to the Coronavirus. Despite frequent claims that President Trump’s

papers.ssrn.com

The long term intention was clearly stated by Sen Schumer (in Congress for 41 years) even thought HR1 was defeated last year. It contained all kinds of expansion of voter "rights". Automatic registration to vote when applying for gov't benefits whether citizen or non, No Voter ID, same day registration, amoung other goodies. In the past, before being allowed to vote, one had to take civic tests to at least inform potential voters about the American system of government. This is one of the drivers of the Latin vote swinging more to Repubs over the last few election cycles and beginning to nudge more of the black vote too. Its logical, after all, its the working class who loses jobs to cheaper labor. The November vote will be interesting to see if this continues.

 

[lovinthehd]

Ah Bill. He made some interesting points but left out a few others that may have helped his case. Certainly before Repubs reaction to the results in 2020, there were no examples of Dems disagreeing with election results prior. To believe that one would have to ignore just about every Hillary (and close Dem colleagues) interviews since 2016 which she states straight up that the election was stolen. Stacey Abrams? She's made a career of it. So these two "major" figures on the political scene didn't accept the will of the people did they? They set a poor example for the Repubs. Bill's argument would have been better to say this.

Interesting, the first two clips presented as Repubs against "democracy" were certainly out of context. They were talking about mob democracy vs Republic as set up at the foundation. They are not advocating for a dictatorship or authoritarian form of government. As for the latter forms of government, three things are distinctive about them. Censorship, or restricting free speech, seizure of private property, and a powerful centralized government. The question voters should be asking themselves is: Which party is more likely to support those policies? Politicians of either party who would support those policies are acting 'unconstitutionally". If the country decides to amend the constitution to allow for that well let's call for a Convention and get it over with.

On voting, I'm with the dude. Historically, other countries restrict mail-in ballots and require Voter ID because the potential for fraud is too great. I'm sure we'll disagree on this but that's democracy.

Why Do Most Countries Ban Mail-In Ballots?: They Have Seen Massive Vote Fraud Problems

Thirty-seven states have so far changed their mail-in voting procedures this year in response to the Coronavirus. Despite frequent claims that President Trump’s

papers.ssrn.com

That is one skinny little article about problems elsewhere about mail-in. Good procedures and controls should be fine for mail in voting. It's worked well here. Temporary concessions for covid may not come with the best controls, tho. There are other ways to cheat even with the current stuff....which the republicans also claimed was true what with the voting machines, even though that was a turd of incredible proportions.

Comparing complaints of the democrats about gerrymandering or the electoral college in the past to the current nonsense, and attempted coup and constant lying of the republicans is a big stretch. Only the republicans tried a coup (to install a dictator, and a grifter at that).

 

[SithZedi]

Agree with you on getting to good procedures and controls. The rest, not so much. A coup to install a dictator? The FBI disagrees there. Constant lying is the rule of the game in politics. As the noose grows tighter on Hillary and the Russia Hoax we'll see no one has a monopoly on lying.

Exclusive: FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated - sources

The FBI has found scant evidence that the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol was the result of an organized plot to overturn the presidential election result, according to four current and former law enforcement officials.

www.reuters.com

 

[lovinthehd]

Agree with you on getting to good procedures and controls. The rest, not so much. A coup to install a dictator? The FBI disagrees there. Constant lying is the rule of the game in politics. As the noose grows tighter on Hillary and the Russia Hoax we'll see no one has a monopoly on lying.

Exclusive: FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated - sources

The FBI has found scant evidence that the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol was the result of an organized plot to overturn the presidential election result, according to four current and former law enforcement officials.

www.reuters.com

We'll see how it sorts out, but drumphy would gladly have taken it if the coordinated or uncoordinated idiots had their way. It was still an attempted coup, thankfully they were only as intelligent as most republicans seem to be these days. The lying of the republicans has reached heights no one else has by a long shot, led by drumphy in major ways. Hillary and the Russia Hoax? Good grief. Sure, lots of lying in politics in general, and business, and relationships, and even audio.....

 

[SithZedi]

We'll see how it sorts out, but drumphy would gladly have taken it if the coordinated or uncoordinated idiots had their way. It was still an attempted coup, thankfully they were only as intelligent as most republicans seem to be these days. The lying of the republicans has reached heights no one else has by a long shot, led by drumphy in major ways. Hillary and the Russia Hoax? Good grief. Sure, lots of lying in politics in general, and business, and relationships, and even audio.....

Audio especially!

 

[Dude#1279435]

OK, thank you for clarifying that sentence. There are many, from both sides will say there is a problem with voting depending on how an election will swing. Voter fraud, if proven, must be prevented to the greatest degree possible. It disenfranchises both sides. To say it doesn't happen is to deny US history and current reality. Is it enough to swing an election? It has to be proven, the below is just one example:

19 aliens charged with voter fraud in North Carolina following ICE investigation

A federal grand jury in Wilmington charged seven foreign nationals on August 31 on federal felony charges including falsely claiming U.S. citizenship or making false statements on voter registration application, and with misdemeanor charges of unlawfully casting ballots in the 2016 presidential...

www.ice.gov

This is the trend in NYC, although for local elections, for now.

Why Do Most Countries Ban Mail-In Ballots?: They Have Seen Massive Vote Fraud Problems

Thirty-seven states have so far changed their mail-in voting procedures this year in response to the Coronavirus. Despite frequent claims that President Trump’s

papers.ssrn.com

The long term intention was clearly stated by Sen Schumer (in Congress for 41 years) even thought HR1 was defeated last year. It contained all kinds of expansion of voter "rights". Automatic registration to vote when applying for gov't benefits whether citizen or non, No Voter ID, same day registration, amoung other goodies. In the past, before being allowed to vote, one had to take civic tests to at least inform potential voters about the American system of government. This is one of the drivers of the Latin vote swinging more to Repubs over the last few election cycles and beginning to nudge more of the black vote too. Its logical, after all, its the working class who loses jobs to cheaper labor. The November vote will be interesting to see if this continues.

ie civic tests that favor a Republican outcome. I get it: you want every advantage in the political playbook. I'm just not convinced a mandatory civics test to vote is American (freedom to, or not). Then there's the issue of what/what not to put in our history books/gov't class.....about the most you can do is teach the Constitution and keeping the Pledge of Allegiance in class.

 

[Dude#1279435]

We'll see how it sorts out, but drumphy would gladly have taken it if the coordinated or uncoordinated idiots had their way. It was still an attempted coup, thankfully they were only as intelligent as most republicans seem to be these days. The lying of the republicans has reached heights no one else has by a long shot, led by drumphy in major ways. Hillary and the Russia Hoax? Good grief. Sure, lots of lying in politics in general, and business, and relationships, and even audio.....

Complaining about the left not covering the Floyd riots while looking the other way on the election steal. It's why I don't take conservatives seriously, especially in the Trump era.

 

[SithZedi]

ie civic tests that favor a Republican outcome. I get it: you want every advantage in the political playbook. I'm just not convinced a mandatory civics test to vote is American (freedom to, or not). Then there's the issue of what/what not to put in our history books/gov't class.....about the most you can do is teach the Constitution and keeping the Pledge of Allegiance in class.

Civics test favor Repubs? That's Koolaid thinking again. Ignorance is not a good policy or path for people. Immigrants should be given every opportunity to succeed in our system of government and our economy and that's done through education.

 

[SithZedi]

Complaining about the left not covering the Floyd riots while looking the other way on the election steal. It's why I don't take conservatives seriously, especially in the Trump era.

As opposed to the left looking the other way on the Floyd riots and the long term effects of BLM. Those effects being more people of color dying and their businesses ruined because of policies that resulted from them. No blood stained hands there.

Eric Adams is right: BLM costs black lives

The mayor has the facts fully on his side: Anti-police, soft-on-crime “reforms” have been literally murder on minority communities across America.

nypost.com

Maybe we could agree on this: Peaceful demonstrations good, violent ones bad?

 

[Dude#1279435]

BLM/capitol.
CAPITOL/blm.
They're interchangeable in the blame game, but since BLM happened first and Repub cried foul but then silence on 1/6 is my point.

 

[Dude#1279435]

Civics test favor Repubs? That's Koolaid thinking again. Ignorance is not a good policy or path for people. Immigrants should be given every opportunity to succeed in our system of government and our economy and that's done through education.

Right, now your interest is so they will succeed but not so they will vote Republican. Your sentence right after civics says it's one of the drivers for the Latin and black to vote Republican.

 

[highfigh]

I think some on the right will tell you it's a representative Republic, but that can imply things like a one-party system. Obviously that can lead to problems like a lack of responsibility for one's actions. Today I think it means using voter confidence to reduce ballot drop offs.

It was designed to be that, but by having asynchronous terms for the House & Senate, it prevents a bit of party lockstep. So far, the House, Senate, White House and Supreme Court have been controlled by one party without heading in that party's direction permanently.

Voting used to be seen as a person's responsibility and they made sure to do it, even if it wasn't convenient. Now, it's "How can we make your life easier?". People can't be bothered to go to the polls anymore- almost like people don't want to see or talk with the people who live in the same area.

 

[highfigh]

I think what I was saying is Republicans are using the legal procedures of reducing ballot boxes because they know Democrats vote by mail more.

What proof of that claim do you have?

 

[Dude#1279435]

What proof of that claim do you have?

Well I'm not going to be able to obviously. It's my opinion based on no evidence of fraud in '20 coupled with a statistic stating blue's vote by mail more often.

 

[highfigh]

BLM/capitol.
CAPITOL/blm.
They're interchangeable in the blame game, but since BLM happened first and Repub cried foul but then silence on 1/6 is my point.

How many people died and how many businesses/neighborhoods were ruined because of 1/6?

 

[SithZedi]

Right, now your interest is so they will succeed but not so they will vote Republican. Your sentence right after civics says it's one of the drivers for the Latin and black to vote Republican.

They should be educated so they can decide who to vote for themselves. What policies do they agree with and how will they impact them. Voting in a Republic vs. the system of government where they are coming from. Education is a driver as well as job opportunities, unemployment rate, education for their children, moral issues, the list goes on. You cannot assume that people will vote one way based on their status. People are complex individuals and more so if they are educated.