JBL Studio 530 and My Grand Atmos Experiment

[Pogre]

Well ya know, it’s the next logical step. Lol. JK of course.

Curious where it put his voice on your system. I haven’t checked it out on my other setups.

Oh it's not as jk as it might sound. It really is my next logical step, and within my capability to do. I've just been lazy about it...

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Yes! You should look into some in ceilings and see what it would take. I can't do it downstairs but did it upstairs and they look good and it's nice having them there.

I paid for install so that cost a bit. Speakers really not that expensive when you look at it over the long hall.

I wonder if this was meant for @Pogre? I’ve been Atmos capable for a few years.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Oh it's not as jk as it might sound. It really is my next logical step, and within my capability to do. I've just been lazy about it...

I hate when I get lazy about shitt. I ask myself later on, like why do wait so long to do things? Lol

 

[ryanosaur]

I hate when I get lazy about shitt. I ask myself later on, like why do wait so long to do things? Lol

Right!?!

 

[Kleinst]

I wonder if this was meant for @Pogre? I’ve been Atmos capable for a few years.

Yes it was sorry, You have the RSLs right?

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Yes it was sorry, You have the RSLs right?

Yep I do. They’ve been great.

 

[ryanosaur]

From my earlier post:

Regarding my room, it is 11'6" x 15'3". My right (N) wall is 98"H to the low slope of the clerestory ceiling. The left (S) wall is 89" to finished trim and the "loft." The trim is another 5-1/2" (effectively a finished 2x6) potentially giving me 94" to work with.
Where I generally sit, my ears are ~11'3" off the front wall, and 8'8" from the Front Speakers.

When I am watching a movie, I am less upright, and have measured that to be about 46" ear height.

This is what I am working with for creating my "Bubble"

This is what I'm working with, guys.

Atmos speakers would be twice my ear height, roughly. (Which does check out in the Dolby Specs... But not necessarily the vertical angle.

As you can see in the drawing, the RH/TB position would be a little wider than the 45º, but would be best I can do for wall mounting

Distance from TF-TB is about 12'.
Distance from TF to potential TM placement would be about 7'

 

[Kleinst]

Are the front atmos supposed to hit right at you or a bit in front of you? I don't recall

 

[ryanosaur]

According to the Video Danzilla posted earlier, the guy recommends aiming at you so you get full SQ across seating area..

I will be inverting the 530s, and they do a little better if you are below the tweeter in normal orientation... I'm gonna aim for my heart... Center mass.

 

[Pogre]

According to the Video Danzilla posted earlier, the guy recommends aiming at you so you get full SQ across seating area..

I will be inverting the 530s, and they do a little better if you are below the tweeter in normal orientation... I'm gonna aim for my heart... Center mass.

So are you mounting high on the wall and aiming down or mounting them to the ceiling? Either way I don't see why it wouldn't work with the right angles.

You are putting ideas in my head. I have pair of those DCM TP160s I got on the cheap when they were selling on ebay a while back. They're really pretty good speakers too, but collecting dust. I might be able to find a second pair...

 

[ryanosaur]

So are you mounting high on the wall and aiming down or mounting them to the ceiling? Either way I don't see why it wouldn't work with the right angles.

You are putting ideas in my head. I have pair of those DCM TP160s I got on the cheap when they were selling on ebay a while back. They're really pretty good speakers too, but collecting dust. I might be able to find a second pair...

These are all wall mounted at twice my ear height, as high on the wall as I can fit them. Post #22 has the photos with locations marked, too.

 

[Pogre]

These are all wall mounted at twice my ear height, as high on the wall as I can fit them. Post #22 has the photos with locations marked, too.

Gotcha.

I have high ceilings and can mount them a good 7' more than ear height...

 

[ryanosaur]

Gotcha.

I have high ceilings and can mount them a good 7' more than ear height...

Check out the vids "Zilla posted on the first page. they're about 30 minutes each, but solid info. The Dolby PDF isn't really 60 pages, but it does have the key info about ideal angles.

I think this is the biggest part in Atmos is getting good coverage. I suspect, for the people that complain about it most, they are not properly set up. In fact the guy gives an example in one of the vids with pink noise off axis from a ceiling Speaker: we know what should happen if we think about it for a second, and this guy puts it out there to hear. By the time you get say three seats off axis of that Speaker, all the highs are gone and you just have the lows.

Ideally I would have my Atmos Speakers Higher, I think, to get the appropriate angles, and they would be narrower if I could do ceiling mounts, bringing them into the room about 2' or so.
Regardless...
Eager to hear Bill and Zilla's thoughts.

 

[ryanosaur]

@William Lemmerhirt , @Danzilla31 ...
Where you boys at?

Don't leave me hangin!

 

[Danzilla31]

@William Lemmerhirt , @Danzilla31 ...
Where you boys at?
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Don't leave me hangin!

I just woke up!!! I'm coming!

 

[Danzilla31]

Check out the vids "Zilla posted on the first page. they're about 30 minutes each, but solid info. The Dolby PDF isn't really 60 pages, but it does have the key info about ideal angles.

I think this is the biggest part in Atmos is getting good coverage. I suspect, for the people that complain about it most, they are not properly set up. In fact the guy gives an example in one of the vids with pink noise off axis from a ceiling Speaker: we know what should happen if we think about it for a second, and this guy puts it out there to hear. By the time you get say three seats off axis of that Speaker, all the highs are gone and you just have the lows.

Ideally I would have my Atmos Speakers Higher, I think, to get the appropriate angles, and they would be narrower if I could do ceiling mounts, bringing them into the room about 2' or so.
Regardless...
Eager to hear Bill and Zilla's thoughts.

Okay great pic great diagram thank you. So the surrounds and rear surrounds your moving down to floor level correct?

 

[Danzilla31]

They have to have separation from the height speakers is why I'm asking

 

[Danzilla31]

Check out the vids "Zilla posted on the first page. they're about 30 minutes each, but solid info. The Dolby PDF isn't really 60 pages, but it does have the key info about ideal angles.

I think this is the biggest part in Atmos is getting good coverage. I suspect, for the people that complain about it most, they are not properly set up. In fact the guy gives an example in one of the vids with pink noise off axis from a ceiling Speaker: we know what should happen if we think about it for a second, and this guy puts it out there to hear. By the time you get say three seats off axis of that Speaker, all the highs are gone and you just have the lows.

Ideally I would have my Atmos Speakers Higher, I think, to get the appropriate angles, and they would be narrower if I could do ceiling mounts, bringing them into the room about 2' or so.
Regardless...
Eager to hear Bill and Zilla's thoughts.

Yeah that channel is a gold mine of good information. I mean he has like 48 videos and he goes over everything. What to look for with measurements on speakers. How much power do you really need How to calculate it. Room treatments speaker layouts sub setup sub calibration and level matching. How to use room eq he even has videos showing how to setup DSP in Behringer amps for your subs How to setup the filters Dolby atmos.

It's all great stuff. It's all stuff Gene has put out it's just nice to see it broken down in video form so you can visualize it

 

[ryanosaur]

Okay great pic great diagram thank you. So the surrounds and rear surrounds your moving down to floor level correct?

Correct, no separation as is, and yes that is my plan

 

[Pogre]

I hope you don't mind me butting in @ryanosaur but what you're doing here is something I could do too so I'm interested.

Okay great pic great diagram thank you. So the surrounds and rear surrounds your moving down to floor level correct?
.....
They have to have separation from the height speakers is why I'm asking

Here is where I might run into trouble. My side surrounds are pretty high already. Over 6' (head height) off the ground and angled sharply down. I have a tall ceiling so wall mounted atmos speakers would still have some distance between them but probably not enough... I don't have a good solution for that unless I go with in walls for surrounds.