Ukraine – Russia … not more of the last thread

[Replicant 7]

I know you weren't but to be fair let's just let it go. I really really want a good thread about Russia and Ukraine.

Just hit the ignore button in the future if someone is really being confrontational. Don't respond. It really isn't worth it to drag a thread like this into the mud.

Agree, Swerds threads like these are really good.

 

[Replicant 7]

Not only the issue that it could be photo shopped or part of Putins disinformation campaign. Or Russian soldiers using those uniforms for the same purpose

I seriously doubt Ukraine which is advocating so strongly for Western support would encourage there military to wear an outfit justifying Putins allegations

Makes no logical sense like you said I'd need to see a lot more photos and a lot more coverage before I'd pay attention to it

@Swerd , That's the first thing I thought, that it was photoshopped. As for Neo-Nazi a$$hats the US is full of em.

 

[Mr._Clark]

@Mr._Clark

Thanks for your previous post about Open Source Intelligence (OSINT). It opened my eyes to what is a whole new subject. This morning in the Washington Post, I noticed a good intro to the subject of OSINT. After seeing your post, I made sure to read it all.

The rise of the Twitter spies by Pranshu Verma

12ft

OSINT is interesting, but it can be a rabbit hole.

It's also interesting to watch the OSINT coverage evolve. A few weeks ago there were a number of news reports about how online facial recognition software was being used by OSINT people to identify Russian solders (facial recognition software has of course been around for awhile, but I don't think very many people realized how easy and effective it is just using photos on the internet). Shortly after that I noticed that quite a few photos posted on twitter of Ukrainian fighters were modified to block out their faces and the surroundings, apparently to prevent the Russians from identifying the individual Ukraine fighters and their locations. I can't prove there's a correlation, but I strongly suspect that people have become much more aware of the power of facial recognition software based on the OSINT coming out of Ukraine.

 

[shadyJ]

The topic about neo-nazis among Ukrainian soldiers is fairly new to me. After reading about it, just a little, it isn't clear how widespread these neo-nazis are, and that this controversial topic has become propaganda fodder for both the pro-Russian & anti-Russian sides, not to mention other sides as well.

After seeing that photo of the soldier with the black sun patch, I wondered if it's the only photo? How many photos exist of other soldiers wearing the same kind of patch. Is it one single snapshot, or does represent something widespread? I still don't have a clear answer. Judging by some other posts I saw here, it is possible that there are small numbers of these neo-nazis in Ukrainian uniform. But to me, that isn't yet a sure thing. That's always the trouble when a single photo is presented as evidence of something widespread.

Russian and Ukrainian neo-nazis are the stupidest mutherf#ckers to walk the earth. The original nazis intended for Slavic people to be the slaves of Nazis. Slavs were pretty low on the ethnic ladder for Nazis. The more hardcore nazi racial theorists had plans to totally eliminate Slavs after a period of servitude. They didn't want Slavs to contaminate Aryan bloodlines. When the nazis invaded Ukraine in WW2, they were initially greeted as liberators, but that quickly changed as the nazis treated the locals even more brutally than the soviets. Modern Slavic neo-nazis, which I would have to guess actually outnumber Germanic and Nordic neo-nazis by a fair margin, are historically illiterate morons. I would love for them to experience some real old-school nazi attention that they seem to idolize. The only good nazi, neo or otherwise, is a dead nazi.

 

[highfigh]

I for one welcome anyone that has a question about something they saw on the "news" or FB or anywhere else for that matter. It's helpful to know what, if any, BS is being spread and it also helps to get good sources so we don't inadvertently spread BS.

It's so difficult now to just say "oh wow, didn't know that" without accidently listening to some BS.

I've always been critical of things people tell me. Repeat some BS and get called on it once and it sticks with you. I've done it a few times...if you can believe it.

It would be helpful for people to provide a link for whatever they're presenting.

 

[highfigh]

While it would be great if Russia didn't have nuclear weapons, how would one go about taking them away? We can't even make North Korea give them up. It's an evil genie that cannot be pushed back into the lamp.

The last time the US used nukes in a war was WWII and since then, the threat has always been implied. Russia/Putin is now saying that he'll use them- that should be the thing that determines whether a country has them; making the threat. If s country thinks they need nukes because their enemy has them, neither should be able to, as in, India & Pakistan. There's no freaking reason for Iran to have them- the US isn't planning to drop any on them, they're not at war with Iraq and Israel doesn't want to be obliterated, so I doubt they would use any. North Korea is a wild card, so "No nukes for you!". WWII was shortened by using them, but Russia just had to be paranoid and get them to work, too- there is no good use for them, at this point.

NK is adjacent to China & Russia- if we do anything in a military capacity to NK, it's not a stretch to think that either or both of those two would act and we definitely don't need that.

 

[mtrycrafts]

If he loses the support of the higher ups in the Russian military, yes. All we can hope for is that they have cooler heads and maybe, that they have become as tired of the idea that the West is the enemy as we are.

If the West was the enemy, the West could have rolled up Russia when the USSR collapsed but they didn't.

 

[highfigh]

If the West was the enemy, the West could have rolled up Russia when the USSR collapsed but they didn't.

Tell Putin, not me.

 

[mtrycrafts]

I think the ones who need to turn are in his cabinet but with the reports of some not being seen recently, he may be weeding out his 'internal enemies', real or perceived.

I think his increased paranoia is a symptom of something- maybe declining mental health or drug use. Neither is good.

Maybe he'll end up with lead poisoning.

From reding some of the links posted here lately, someone has to get past the security forces, separate from the military and answers directly to Putlin(new word from Putin and Stalin). Putlin has been eliminating strong generals who may really be a threat to Putlin.

 

[mtrycrafts]

Tell Putin, not me.

I tried and wasn't really telling you directly as I know you would know this, but your post just gave me an opportunity without just putting it out on its own.

 

[mtrycrafts]

...if you can believe it.

I believe everything.
Hard drive needs defragging.

 

[mtrycrafts]

The topic about neo-nazis among Ukrainian soldiers is fairly new to me. After reading about it, just a little, it isn't clear how widespread these neo-nazis are, and that this controversial topic has become propaganda fodder for both the pro-Russian & anti-Russian sides, not to mention other sides as well.

...

Our DOD is trying to weed them out from our ranks as well.

 

[mtrycrafts]

@Swerd , That's the first thing I thought, that it was photoshopped. As for as Neo-Nazi a$$hats go the US is full of em.

And some in the military that DOD is trying to finally weed out.

 

[Replicant 7]

And some in the military that DOD is trying to finally weed out.

Not just military, police officers also. All over the US.

 

[Mr._Clark]

Russian and Ukrainian neo-nazis are the stupidest mutherf#ckers to walk the earth. The original nazis intended for Slavic people to be the slaves of Nazis. Slavs were pretty low on the ethnic ladder for Nazis. The more hardcore nazi racial theorists had plans to totally eliminate Slavs after a period of servitude. They didn't want Slavs to contaminate Aryan bloodlines. When the nazis invaded Ukraine in WW2, they were initially greeted as liberators, but that quickly changed as the nazis treated the locals even more brutally than the soviets. Modern Slavic neo-nazis, which I would have to guess actually outnumber Germanic and Nordic neo-nazis by a fair margin, are historically illiterate morons. I would love for them to experience some real old-school nazi attention that they seem to idolize. The only good nazi, neo or otherwise, is a dead nazi.

I would add that the original nazis didn't hesitate to kill anyone that opposed their ideology, regardless of race or ethnicity.

The original nazis may not have been the stupidest mutherf#ckers to walk the earth, but they would give the neo-nazis a run for the money.

 

[Trell]

It would be helpful for people to provide a link for whatever they're presenting.

Some rudimentary check of the link source before posting it is helpful too.

 

[Danzilla31]

I would add that the original nazis didn't hesitate to kill anyone that opposed their ideology, regardless of race or ethnicity.

The original nazis may not have been the stupidest mutherf#ckers to walk the earth, but they would give the neo-nazis a run for the money.

The problem is they or at least the original Nazis were not stupid at all. It made there ideology even deadlier. Never underestimate your enemy. They may be evil unethical moral monsters but that doesn't make them stupid.

Hopefully we don't make that mistake with Russia and China

 

[shadyJ]

The problem is they or at least the original Nazis were not stupid at all. It made there ideology even deadlier. Never underestimate your enemy. They may be evil unethical moral monsters but that doesn't make them stupid.

Hopefully we don't make that mistake with Russia and China

The original nazis were often very stupid. They underestimated Russia and England, they badly underestimated the United States. Allied intelligence was often much superior to German intelligence because the Nazies thought they wouldn't have to use signal intelligence against their enemy because their enemy was too corrupt and stupid to do anything surprising. Hitler redesigned the government with terrible inefficiencies because he had government offices frequently competing at accomplishing the same task. Many of their earlier gains came about through dumb luck, and it was widely known by military planners that the tide had turned by late 1942 and that defeat was inevitable.

I do think that their ideology was partly what made them stupid. It gave them an unearned arrogance that blinded them to reality. I think much the same thing has now happened with Russia.

 

[shadyJ]

One thing that occurred to me is how this war will impact Russia's declining population. I can't see it doing anything other than accelerating that decline. For those who don't know, Russia has been having a very serious population decline for a while now, and it has been especially rough in the last two years with COVID. This war is doubtlessly going to send Russia into a severe economic depression, which I would guess would exacerbate this trend. The long-term consequences of this invasion may be more catastrophic for Russia than they realize.

 

[Alex2507]

I hope my effort here to revive the subject doesn't result in the same ignorant name-calling that shut down the previous thread.

*instantly starts searching for the locked thread*

"just asking"

I worked with a guy that use to say that a lot. Not related to anybody here that's on my ignore list, this guy used the expression to cover up the incompetence that a stupid question had just revealed. Later in life I was presented with the idea that there were no stupid questions, only stupid people.

Again: completely unrelated to my ignore list!