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This type of oil, Bitumen, has to be processed at specially equipped refineries, few of which exist in Canada, more are located in the US. If Bitumen continues to be used as a source of fuel, it would be far better to build those refineries near to the mining locations, then piped out. That's a big investment but its better that than pushing "peanut butter" through a pipeline.

Anyway, with no pipeline the oil will continue to come into the US via railways, which is much more dangerous and 30 times more prone to leakage versus a pipeline. Again, chose your poison.

The Canadian's have moved on from XL anyway. The Bitumen has to go somewhere and new pipelines are in the works in Canada to move it. Enbridge 3 Line replacement through Minnesota gets it to the Great Lakes located Superior Terminal (owned by Enbridge) for use elsewhere. Then there is the Trans Mountain Expansion to British Columbia which gets the oil to the Pacific for export. That's a whole other kettle of fish politically and environmentally.

This is an older article but is still relevant. It gives a pretty good overview as to why more oil sands product isn't refined here. New refineries were a risky investment 8 years ago, when it was written, even riskier now.
Why Canada Would Rather Export Oil Than Refine It | OilPrice.com

There used to be two refineries near where I live. They were both shut down years ago.

Meanwhile:
Validation in Canadian oilpatch as world focuses on energy security, abandons Russian crude | CBC News
 
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highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
When you consider that the original standard engine in a Dodge Caravan was a 2.2 litre four-banger with less than 100 BHP and got about the same mileage as the present 3.6 litre V6 with over 280 BHP, it's clear that manufacturers used greater efficiency to increase power, not to reduce fuel consumption.

While modern technology has been employed to reduce engine sizes with similar, or greater, power, it hasn't been across the board. The 1982 Camaro Z28 had an anemic 5.0 litre, while 40 years later you can get a supercharged 6.2 litre.

Yes, while customers have demanded greater power over the years and manufacturers have answered that demand, it went hand-in-hand with dropping fuel prices. But, the customer isn't always right. If the entire world consumed resources like western countries (especially North Americans), we'd be living in a hellscape already.
The engine in my Gutlass was the same as the Camaro and they used a very small diameter exhaust system on it- no O2 sensors or catalytic converters, no MAP/IAT sensors or control over timing, just a few things that at this point, seemed like they were "Good to know" because they really didn't do much. My Gutlass was rated at 145 HP and a bit over 200 lb-ft of torque. Oh, boy!

I can't guess the number of times I corrected retail customers who said "But the customer is always right, right?".
 
mtrycrafts

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The Southern leg has been built, Obama declined to grant the permits for the Northern leg. Doesn't seem like a great source to move so far for refinement, though- the sand is so abrasive that it would wear through the pipe quickly.
And, the rout of the pipe would have endangered some areas from an pipe rupture. Just what you want under a river, etc.
 
SithZedi

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This is an older article but is still relevant. It gives a pretty good overview as to why more oil sands product isn't refined here. New refineries were a risky investment 8 years ago, when it was written, even riskier now.
Why Canada Would Rather Export Oil Than Refine It | OilPrice.com

There used to be two refineries near where I live. They were both shut down years ago.

Meanwhile:
Validation in Canadian oilpatch as world focuses on energy security, abandons Russian crude | CBC News
Thanks, great articles.

At the date written, July 2014, the price of oil was $110 a barrel, on its way down to 57 by year end. I wonder if they will redo the math on those refineries at $150 a barrel. I would be against gov't subsidies to encourage it but maybe some "promotional" depreciation rates might be helpful.

The idea of piping or routing bitumen over the Continental Divide is not optimal, but then again neither is transporting it south in rail cars as we are doing now. Here we are.
 
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Mr._Clark

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It looks like there are quite a few experienced foreign fighters heading to Ukraine. I'm curious what the total number is (I've seen reports in the 16,000-20,000 range, but I have no idea if these are accurate numbers).

The comment (near the bottom of the snip below) by the American guy who was born in the Soviet republic of Georgia to the effect that [they] had been fighting Russians for generations is interesting.



>>>Exclusive: So many Canadian fighters in Ukraine, they have their own battalion, source says

The International Legion for the Territorial Defence of Ukraine says the 550 would-be fighters from Canada are based in Kyiv<<<



>>>For foreign fighters, Ukraine offers purpose, camaraderie and a cause . . .

Among those who have arrived to fight for Ukraine are dozens of former soldiers from the British Army's elite Parachute Regiment, according to an ex-soldier from the regiment. Hundreds more would soon follow, he said. Reuters was unable to corroborate those numbers.

Often referred to as the Paras, the regiment has in recent years served in Afghanistan and Iraq. "They're all highly, highly trained, and have seen active service on numerous occasions," the ex-soldier from the regiment said. The Ukraine crisis will give them purpose, camaraderie and "a chance to do what they're good at: fight." . . .

Anthony Capone, a wealthy healthcare entrepreneur in New York City, said he is providing funding for hundreds of ex-soldiers and paramedics who want to go to Ukraine. But he said he had delayed their departure "to give the Ukrainian army another week to improve their enlistment process for those entering the volunteer corps."

So far, according to Capone, only a "small number" had arrived in neighbouring Poland. Capone had posted on LinkedIn his message offering funding, thinking that 10 or 15 people would reply. "Right now, I'm at about 1,000," he said. . . .

In central Lviv on Thursday, a burly, Russian-speaking Canadian, who identified himself only as Sig, heaved bags of equipment into the back of a minivan he had bought in Poland and driven to Lviv. . . .

Another of Sig's four-strong team was an American who said he was born in the former Soviet republic of Georgia and had fought Russians "for generations."<<<

 
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Mr._Clark

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Here's a series of tweets by a guy (Stanimir Dobrev) who seems to have some insight into the problems the Russian military is having. I don't know anything about him, but the tweets are an interesting read.

Tweets 1-25 were in response to the following tweet by Michael Kofman:

>>>Taking a cursory look at Russian losses two weeks into the war, it reads less as a general failure to modernize, and more as a failure to maintain and properly support the equipment. Abandonment rate exceedingly high.<<<

1) I am going to push back on the idea that what we see is that the Russian Armed Forces are merely having severe supply and readiness issues and that we should consider it to be overall modern.

2)Here's the first problem, SEAD [Suppression of Enemy Air Defense]. It's failing to suppress UA air defences, but that's more a feature of procurement planning rather than a bug. The VKS [Russian Aerospace Forces] lacks a significant number of modern ELINT [Electronic Intelligence] platforms.

3)Let's do a head count, 2 Tu-214Rs [reconnaissance aircraft] and 3 modernised Il-20 derivatives have been received in the last 20+ years. The A-100 projects is still being delayed and the reports from KAZ suggest further Tu-214 orders will not be forthcoming.

4)Now to explain the practical implications. Without those platforms in the air the Ru VKS rarely has an idea when a UA radar is being turned on unless they are almost on top of it in practical terms ( closer than 50 kms ). They just get notified when they get acquired.

5)The second issue is the collapse of communications and the lack of interoperable real time data links with the same standards. In practice the VDV, Army and VKS sort of have different systems. These get fed and combined at the army HQ usually during drills.

6)Firing anti radar missiles in a battle space you can't deconflict and is filled with your own AD is a bad idea, even if you think there's a caricature level casual carelessness among Ru officers (I don't think it's the case). You just lose missiles without achieving their aim.

7)The next issue is what modern means for ground forces and air forces. It is supposed to mean All Weather forces. But at the very least night operations, but the issue is the bulk of the Russian ground equipment has 70s IR illuminators for its commanders.

8)We have also seen Russian troops use flares during their attack of the nuclear powerplant in Energodar and lacking more sophisticated night fighting equipment. Even recent tank upgrades omitted that, like the T-80BVM.

9)When defining a modern tank we usually consider modern ammo (discrepancy in crew experience could negate it via outmanoeuvring) modern sights for the gunner, thermal equipped 360 periscope for the commander (hunter killer capability) and a battlefield information system.

10)Even though the Ru MoD considers most of its tanks as modern, in practice by the above standard only a small subset are. To tie it to experience from recent combat showcases that even the thermals on the Strykers can be used to avoid and counter ambushes.

11)The next bit is the VKS&AD procurement priorities, they are dominated by people with influence over the Kremlin, we see SHORAD development funding & some procurement funding and S-400 purchases. The issue is that this funding is greater or comparable to aircraft procurement.

12)This is an anomaly when it comes to modern air forces. As priority should go to various types of surveillance platforms, manned but also possible high endurance unmanned platforms , then strike and multiroles, then an operational budget for high training rates and then AD.

13)The inversion of that paradigm suggest that procurement is driven by Almaz-Antey and Rostech's funding needs and desires, rather than actual modern AF doctrine. The DoD Procurement slideshows may cause migraines, they don't cause inferiority by design to this degree.

14)And the other remaining problem is the issue with the continuous lack of JDAM equivalents. JDAM kits are cost effective, Russia just doesn't have a comparable program that has delivered kits at anywhere the same rate even if we account for a smaller fleet.

15)What I think
@KofmanMichael
might have been influenced by if I may paraphrase a document the Chieftain quoted in one of his talks, "The tendency to view the battlefield as a test agency". The use of Su-57, Mig-31 with Kinzhal [hypersonic missiles], UGVs [Unmanned Ground Vehicles] in Syria and so on.

16)But if we then go back to Ru MoD's overall experience with pre-production models we see that it's not really an indication for adoption or that these systems are anywhere as mature as the promotion materials suggest.

17)Armata [next generation Russian main battle tank] is still in trials, Kh-31 [air to surface missle] was adopted but then the Tu-22M3M [supersonic bomber] that was to carry it was cancelled, Project 855 sub [nuclear powered cruise missile sub] never being adopted but becoming a test bed for Project 855M. Even the Su-57 [next generation fighter jet] is being accepted with a planned re-engining amongst other systems being pending.

18)As a whole while the Russian armed forces don't have the ability to act as a modern force at this scope. If we're talking about a subset across most branches of a combined total of 40-50 k . Maybe. But a ground component of 200k with backing, as we have seen is a problem.

19)Finally, to reiterate when you're not picking just a company or three from a brigade to send, you get to see how unprepared the service is. That shouldn't be news at this point, tanks without motor oil, dead batteries, drivers who can't handle ditches with tracked vehicles...

20)My assessment of the current fighting is also different. I presume that the Ruforces in the South met more success due it being easier to support them Ru VKS(as I mentioned in a previous thread + UA AD focus on Kyiv). That pushed battered UA forces back behind the rivers.

21)The panic in Kyiv from days 1&2 has also led to more newly formed units being sent around the capitol. But because the Russian forces are so limited for their tasks in the South we just see small prongues which the remaining UA units are being able to check.

22)The constant fear of a landing in Odessa seems to have forced a lot more UA troops to be kept there than necessary. Again consistent with a less aggressive (in terms eagerness to go on the offensive of military action) civil government which got spooked at the start.

23)But overall we're seeing some mauled UA units still mounting an effective defence and a more conservative posture by UA and a southern Ru advance that captured a few bigger towns and stores, and thus doesn't have as a dire of a supply a situation, but it's facing problem 2.

24)The manpower isn't there to hold even 4 larger towns. As UA reserves are brought forth South and East I don't think Ru keeping thousands in the towns and a bunch advance columns trying to move out is tenable. Mass warcriming doesn't degrade mil power in 2 weeks.

25) In the words of Blackadder : It started badly, it tailed off a little in the middle and the less said about the end the better — but apart from that it was excellent.

 
SithZedi

SithZedi

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Thanks for posting that. Have a lot of respect for Kofman's knowledge of the Russian military.
Kudos on the Blackadder reference..."i have a cunning plan"
 
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Danzilla31

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Here's a series of tweets by a guy (Stanimir Dobrev) who seems to have some insight into the problems the Russian military is having. I don't know anything about him, but the tweets are an interesting read.

Tweets 1-25 were in response to the following tweet by Michael Kofman:

>>>Taking a cursory look at Russian losses two weeks into the war, it reads less as a general failure to modernize, and more as a failure to maintain and properly support the equipment. Abandonment rate exceedingly high.<<<

1) I am going to push back on the idea that what we see is that the Russian Armed Forces are merely having severe supply and readiness issues and that we should consider it to be overall modern.

2)Here's the first problem, SEAD [Suppression of Enemy Air Defense]. It's failing to suppress UA air defences, but that's more a feature of procurement planning rather than a bug. The VKS [Russian Aerospace Forces] lacks a significant number of modern ELINT [Electronic Intelligence] platforms.

3)Let's do a head count, 2 Tu-214Rs [reconnaissance aircraft] and 3 modernised Il-20 derivatives have been received in the last 20+ years. The A-100 projects is still being delayed and the reports from KAZ suggest further Tu-214 orders will not be forthcoming.

4)Now to explain the practical implications. Without those platforms in the air the Ru VKS rarely has an idea when a UA radar is being turned on unless they are almost on top of it in practical terms ( closer than 50 kms ). They just get notified when they get acquired.

5)The second issue is the collapse of communications and the lack of interoperable real time data links with the same standards. In practice the VDV, Army and VKS sort of have different systems. These get fed and combined at the army HQ usually during drills.

6)Firing anti radar missiles in a battle space you can't deconflict and is filled with your own AD is a bad idea, even if you think there's a caricature level casual carelessness among Ru officers (I don't think it's the case). You just lose missiles without achieving their aim.

7)The next issue is what modern means for ground forces and air forces. It is supposed to mean All Weather forces. But at the very least night operations, but the issue is the bulk of the Russian ground equipment has 70s IR illuminators for its commanders.

8)We have also seen Russian troops use flares during their attack of the nuclear powerplant in Energodar and lacking more sophisticated night fighting equipment. Even recent tank upgrades omitted that, like the T-80BVM.

9)When defining a modern tank we usually consider modern ammo (discrepancy in crew experience could negate it via outmanoeuvring) modern sights for the gunner, thermal equipped 360 periscope for the commander (hunter killer capability) and a battlefield information system.

10)Even though the Ru MoD considers most of its tanks as modern, in practice by the above standard only a small subset are. To tie it to experience from recent combat showcases that even the thermals on the Strykers can be used to avoid and counter ambushes.

11)The next bit is the VKS&AD procurement priorities, they are dominated by people with influence over the Kremlin, we see SHORAD development funding & some procurement funding and S-400 purchases. The issue is that this funding is greater or comparable to aircraft procurement.

12)This is an anomaly when it comes to modern air forces. As priority should go to various types of surveillance platforms, manned but also possible high endurance unmanned platforms , then strike and multiroles, then an operational budget for high training rates and then AD.

13)The inversion of that paradigm suggest that procurement is driven by Almaz-Antey and Rostech's funding needs and desires, rather than actual modern AF doctrine. The DoD Procurement slideshows may cause migraines, they don't cause inferiority by design to this degree.

14)And the other remaining problem is the issue with the continuous lack of JDAM equivalents. JDAM kits are cost effective, Russia just doesn't have a comparable program that has delivered kits at anywhere the same rate even if we account for a smaller fleet.

15)What I think
@KofmanMichael
might have been influenced by if I may paraphrase a document the Chieftain quoted in one of his talks, "The tendency to view the battlefield as a test agency". The use of Su-57, Mig-31 with Kinzhal [hypersonic missiles], UGVs [Unmanned Ground Vehicles] in Syria and so on.

16)But if we then go back to Ru MoD's overall experience with pre-production models we see that it's not really an indication for adoption or that these systems are anywhere as mature as the promotion materials suggest.

17)Armata [next generation Russian main battle tank] is still in trials, Kh-31 [air to surface missle] was adopted but then the Tu-22M3M [supersonic bomber] that was to carry it was cancelled, Project 855 sub [nuclear powered cruise missile sub] never being adopted but becoming a test bed for Project 855M. Even the Su-57 [next generation fighter jet] is being accepted with a planned re-engining amongst other systems being pending.

18)As a whole while the Russian armed forces don't have the ability to act as a modern force at this scope. If we're talking about a subset across most branches of a combined total of 40-50 k . Maybe. But a ground component of 200k with backing, as we have seen is a problem.

19)Finally, to reiterate when you're not picking just a company or three from a brigade to send, you get to see how unprepared the service is. That shouldn't be news at this point, tanks without motor oil, dead batteries, drivers who can't handle ditches with tracked vehicles...

20)My assessment of the current fighting is also different. I presume that the Ruforces in the South met more success due it being easier to support them Ru VKS(as I mentioned in a previous thread + UA AD focus on Kyiv). That pushed battered UA forces back behind the rivers.

21)The panic in Kyiv from days 1&2 has also led to more newly formed units being sent around the capitol. But because the Russian forces are so limited for their tasks in the South we just see small prongues which the remaining UA units are being able to check.

22)The constant fear of a landing in Odessa seems to have forced a lot more UA troops to be kept there than necessary. Again consistent with a less aggressive (in terms eagerness to go on the offensive of military action) civil government which got spooked at the start.

23)But overall we're seeing some mauled UA units still mounting an effective defence and a more conservative posture by UA and a southern Ru advance that captured a few bigger towns and stores, and thus doesn't have as a dire of a supply a situation, but it's facing problem 2.

24)The manpower isn't there to hold even 4 larger towns. As UA reserves are brought forth South and East I don't think Ru keeping thousands in the towns and a bunch advance columns trying to move out is tenable. Mass warcriming doesn't degrade mil power in 2 weeks.

25) In the words of Blackadder : It started badly, it tailed off a little in the middle and the less said about the end the better — but apart from that it was excellent.

Thanks for posting this it explains a question I've had and the news has brought up recently. Why haven't the Russians been able to achieve air control. It's been confusing because without that this can get drawn out for a long time. Which is terrible for Russia great for all of us and especially Ukraine.

This gives a lot of explanations thanks
 
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It’s scary - embarrassing - to read the sheep on her deflecting the fail of this administration .
The inflation the gas and now the jets to Poland to Ukraine debacle - all Biden.

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Thanks, great articles.

At the date written, July 2014, the price of oil was $110 a barrel, on its way down to 57 by year end. I wonder if they will redo the math on those refineries at $150 a barrel. I would be against gov't subsidies to encourage it but maybe some "promotional" depreciation rates might be helpful.

The idea of piping or routing bitumen over the Continental Divide is not optimal, but then again neither is transporting it south in rail cars as we are doing now. Here we are.
I doubt we'll see those two refineries ever come out of moth balls. The largest refinery in Canada is nearby in New Brunswick and there is another in Newfoundland. With all the opposition to increasing pipeline capacity from Alberta to the US, there was a proposal to turn east (called "Energy East") to send crude to New Brunswick for refining and export. That went out the window when Quebec refused to allow it to cross that province - even though the federal government has jurisdiction over such things. The feds just didn't want to rile Quebecers by pulling rank.

So, as you indicated, more and more crude is being shipped by train, which is less efficient and less safe than pipelines.
 
GO-NAD!

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Thanks for posting that. Have a lot of respect for Kofman's knowledge of the Russian military.
Kudos on the Blackadder reference..."i have a cunning plan"
"...as cunning as a fox who's just been appointed Professor of Cunning at the University of Oxford"
 
GO-NAD!

GO-NAD!

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It looks like there are quite a few experienced foreign fighters heading to Ukraine. I'm curious what the total number is (I've seen reports in the 16,000-20,000 range, but I have no idea if these are accurate numbers).

The comment (near the bottom of the snip below) by the American guy who was born in the Soviet republic of Georgia to the effect that [they] had been fighting Russians for generations is interesting.



>>>Exclusive: So many Canadian fighters in Ukraine, they have their own battalion, source says

The International Legion for the Territorial Defence of Ukraine says the 550 would-be fighters from Canada are based in Kyiv<<<

Coincidentally, Canada has the 2nd largest Ukrainian diaspora (Russia is first, of course).
 
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Thanks for posting that. Have a lot of respect for Kofman's knowledge of the Russian military.
Kudos on the Blackadder reference..."i have a cunning plan"
I was watching a PBS show about an archeological dig at a castle and I thought I recognized the voice- sure enough, it was Tony Robinson, AKA Baldrick.
 
GO-NAD!

GO-NAD!

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It was problematic and now its embarrassing. Polish planes to US Nato Airbase in Germany? Who's pilots were going to fly them in to Ukraine?
Aid (Lethal) should be quietly moved over the border even on horseback without headlines from attention seeking politicos...Like the US did before we entered WW2. We sneaked weapons & planes (stripped down in parts) to the Canadian border where they were picked up on horseback in some cases to fool German spies. Poof, British weapons.
That way the enemy does not know what or how much they are dealing with.
Our leaders are measured again and found wanting.
My understanding is that the Poles don't want Russia singling them out for retribution - hence, pass them to US custody before forwarding on to Ukraine.
 
SithZedi

SithZedi

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I was watching a PBS show about an archeological dig at a castle and I thought I recognized the voice- sure enough, it was Tony Robinson, AKA Baldrick.
Yes, he has quite a distinctive voice. He's done a number of history types of shows in the last 20 years. I always look out for them.
 
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