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haraldo

haraldo

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GENTLEMEN, Can we please try to keep a positive tone in here
 
haraldo

haraldo

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And how fast can whole countries change from one energy source to another? Do you want people to go out and gather firewood, so they can be warm? How will they burn it in a gas or oil-fired heater? Power plants can't use alternatives- they spend a lot trying to use one fuel, efficiently.

What are these alternatives and how can the whole of Europe get them quickly when so much power is produced using Coal?
One week, if people are clever

The problem is that it is not a minor inconvenience to just cut off supplies of Russian gas. Europe should not have become this dependent, but here we are.
Not having gas is a minor inconvenience compared to what is going on, electricity .... local power plants

This is a war that will affecct us all on a global scale, wether we like it or not
This war is going to change the world, wether we like it or not....

 
SithZedi

SithZedi

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One week, if people are clever



Not having gas is a minor inconvenience compared to what is going on, electricity .... local power plants

This is a war that will affecct us all on a global scale, wether we like it or not
This war is going to change the world, wether we like it or not....

Yes, it will have a global effect. Unfortunately, the cost will be in Ukr. and Russia lives at first. The energy "discomfort" the Europeans will feel will be much less violent then when the waves of commodity inflation and shortages begin to bite the third world.
 
Trell

Trell

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Here is a plan to reduce EUs reliance significantly in a years time.

Cutting total gas consumption by 40% overnight is a non-starter and much more than a minor inconvenience.

First link is to the press release while the second is to the report.


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  1. Do not sign any new gas supply contracts with Russia. [Impact: Enables greater diversification of supply this year and beyond]
  2. Replace Russian supplies with gas from alternative sources [Impact: Increases non-Russian gas supply by around 30 billion cubic metres within a year]
  3. Introduce minimum gas storage obligations [Impact: Enhances resilience of the gas system by next winter]
  4. Accelerate the deployment of new wind and solar projects [Impact: Reduces gas use by 6 billion cubic metres within a year]
  5. Maximise power generation from bioenergy and nuclear [Impact: Reduces gas use by 13 billion cubic metres within a year]
  6. Enact short-term tax measures on windfall profits to shelter vulnerable electricity consumers from high prices [Impact: Cuts energy bills even when gas prices remain high]
  7. Speed up the replacement of gas boilers with heat pumps [Impact: Reduces gas use by an additional 2 billion cubic metres within a year]
  8. Accelerate energy efficiency improvements in buildings and industry [Impact: Reduces gas use by close to 2 billion cubic metres within a year]
  9. Encourage a temporary thermostat reduction of 1 °C by consumers [Impact: Reduces gas use by some 10 billion cubic metres within a year]
  10. Step up efforts to diversify and decarbonise sources of power system flexibility [Impact: Loosens the strong links between gas supply and Europe’s electricity security]
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Measures implemented this year could bring down gas imports from Russia by over one-third, with additional temporary options to deepen these cuts to well over half while still lowering emissions.
Europe’s reliance on imported natural gas from Russia has again been thrown into sharp relief by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine on 24 February. In 2021, the European Union imported an average of over 380 million cubic metres (mcm) per day of gas by pipeline from Russia, or around 140 billion cubic metres (bcm) for the year as a whole. As well as that, around 15 bcm was delivered in the form of liquefied natural gas (LNG). The total 155 bcm imported from Russia accounted for around 45% of the EU’s gas imports in 2021 and almost 40% of its total gas consumption. [bold added]

Progress towards net zero ambitions in Europe will bring down gas use and imports over time, but today’s crisis raises specific questions about imports from Russia and what policy makers and consumers can do to lower them. This IEA analysis proposes a series of immediate actions that could be taken to reduce reliance on Russian gas, while enhancing the near-term resilence of the EU gas network and minimising the hardships for vulnerable consumers.
A suite of measures in our 10-Point Plan, spanning gas supplies, the electricity system and end-use sectors1, could result in the EU’s annual call on Russian gas imports falling by more than 50 bcm within one year – a reduction of over one-third. These figures take into account the need for additional refilling of European gas storage facilities in 2022 after low Russian supplies helped drive these storage levels to unusually low levels. The 10-Point Plan is consistent with the EU’s climate ambitions and the European Green Deal and also points towards the outcomes achieved in the IEA Net Zero Emissions by 2050 Roadmap, in which the EU totally eliminates the need for Russian gas imports before 2030.
We also consider possibilities for Europe to go even further and faster to limit near-term reliance on Russian gas, although these would mean a slower near-term pace of EU emissions reductions. If Europe were to take these additional steps, then near-term Russian gas imports could be reduced by more than 80 bcm, or well over half.

The analysis highlights some trade-offs. Accelerating investment in clean and efficient technologies is at the heart of the solution, but even very rapid deployment will take time to make a major dent in demand for imported gas. The faster EU policy makers seek to move away from Russian gas supplies, the greater the potential implications in terms of economic costs and/or near-term emissions. Circumstances also vary widely across the EU, depending on geography and supply arrangements.
Reducing reliance on Russian gas will not be simple, requiring a concerted and sustained policy effort across multiple sectors, alongside strong international dialogue on energy markets and security. There are multiple links between Europe’s policy choices and broader global market balances. Strengthened international cooperation with alternative pipeline and LNG exporters – and with other major gas importers and consumers – will be critical. Clear communication between governments, industry and consumers is also an essential element for successful implementation.

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mtrycrafts

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Republicans, in effect, supporting Putins invasion of Ukraine and showing that they don't care.


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Senate Republicans have issued a series of early threats against a still-forming deal to fund the federal government, signaling that they could delay the package — which may include emergency aid to Ukraine — over concerns about excessive spending and vaccine mandates.

The early warnings, delivered in two letters to Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), could slow lawmakers’ time-sensitive work as Russia’s incursion into Ukraine is intensifying — all while Washington faces a March 11 deadline to fund federal agencies and avoid a government shutdown.
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The real true colors emerge in those ....... you name it.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

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And now American Express is following MC/Visa
 
haraldo

haraldo

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Wonderful. And what will WHO do about it? Send in the military? Bomb Moscow?
I don´t like your attitude

Refuges are being bombarded and killed as we speak... people trying to flee Kyiv are being attacked by missiles
 
SithZedi

SithZedi

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The real true colors emerge in those ....... you name it.
The spending bill referred to in the article is the Ominbus bill which is loaded with the typical Big Government lard and not scheduled for discussion until next week. They bolted on the Ukrainian funds into it to make it easier to pass. Typical Schumer tactics. He is using the Ukr war to push his agenda and the media is covering for him. True colors indeed.

If he truly cares about getting aid to the Ukraine, he would recommend an immediate bill focusing exclusively on the Ukraine to get the funds ASAP. That would pass immediately and the Ukraine needs the aid now.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

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I don´t like your attitude

Refuges are being bombarded and killed as we speak... people trying to flee Kyiv are being attacked by missiles
I didn't mean to offend but to point out that WHO cannot help or influence to make this stop. Yes, the report is horrendous, what Russia is doing. Well know what they are capable of and have done now and historically.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

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The problem is that it is not a minor inconvenience to just cut off supplies of Russian gas. Europe should not have become this dependent, but here we are.
Yes. And they are or were planning to decommission all their nuclear power plants.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

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This is a conundrum. If western countries cut off the gas, it will hurt Russia but it will also hurt the western countries. I’m not sure which side would be degraded more. My initial impression is that Russia would be degraded more but I don’t know that for a fact.

If I was in charge I’d say we need to take a stand and stop feeding the beast that is coming to devour us.

On the other hand, if western countries cut it off, I suspect that politically it might might be difficult for western leaders to say to their people “I know you’re suffering but Russia is suffering more” whereas Putin can say to his people “It’s those evil western countries that are causing your suffering!”

Morally, conti
It is wintertime. Russian population will still be able to keep warm while EU will get very cold in a hurry.
One avenue might be an option is to place the payments into those banks that are sanctioned so Russia has no immediate access.
And, place those funds into an account to rebuild Ukraine with all of those frozen assets.
 
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highfigh

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One week, if people are clever



Not having gas is a minor inconvenience compared to what is going on, electricity .... local power plants

This is a war that will affecct us all on a global scale, wether we like it or not
This war is going to change the world, wether we like it or not....

I'm not referring to individuals or small groups changing fuels but even if that were the case, quickly changing on a national scale is impossible,. especially now, when there would be no way to supply everything needed. Then, there's the cost of fuel and like it or not, wood is fossil fuel. Should everyone change to Solar immediately? How could that be possible? Wind isn't going to happen on a large scale, especially in residential; areas.

You're thinking in terms of small population and that doesn't work. The combined population of Los Angeles County, California, Cook County, Illinois and Harris County, Texas is larger than the population of Denmark, Iceland, Sweden, Norway and Finland, without their other territories.

If alternate energy sources are so important to Europeans, why the eff is Europe still so dependent on Natural Gas and Coal? Don't preach to us, look around you.

Also, my post included "Power plants can't use alternatives- they spend a lot trying to use one fuel, efficiently.", but maybe, you missed that. I should have written "...switch to alternatives, quickly" but both are true.
 
highfigh

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I don´t like your attitude

Refuges are being bombarded and killed as we speak... people trying to flee Kyiv are being attacked by missiles
And what would you recommend? If the US tries to fend off the Russians, it will be seen as an act of war and Putin will declare war on the US, which means he'll pull out all of the weapons available to him- If NATO does the same, he'll declare war on NATO countries and attack them.

Ball's in your court- we all know the refugees are being attacked but there is no quick response or easy answer. Of course the rest of the world would like to take Putin out but between launching an operation and the actual event, he could launch all of his nukes.
 
highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
It is wintertime. Russian population will still be able to keep warm while EU will get very cold in a hurry.
One avenue might be an option is to place the payments into those banks that are sanctioned so Russia has no immediate access.
And, place those funds into an account to rebuild Ukraine with all of those frozen assets.
Why would they continue to supply Europe if that were to happen?
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

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And what would you recommend? If the US tries to fend off the Russians, it will be seen as an act of war and Putin will declare war on the US, which means he'll pull out all of the weapons available to him- If NATO does the same, he'll declare war on NATO countries and attack them.

Ball's in your court- we all know the refugees are being attacked but there is no quick response or easy answer. Of course the rest of the world would like to take Putin out but between launching an operation and the actual event, he could launch all of his nukes.
And, if NATO is attacked, we are in a war as well. Either way, both NATO and us are in a war. If not for the nuke threat, the way the Russians performed so far, it may not be a bad choice to finish this sh.. once and for all.
 
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