The freedom convoy of antivaxers here in Canada are a bunch of facist pigs.

[Lazasar]

Everyone should be vaccinated except those that have a medical reason not to. That is just about everyone.

Spoken like someone who is not following the science Or the data.

 

[Dude#1279435]

The far right “bro” gang has welcomed him with open arms as a new member, though.

Will welcome the fringe if it means providing another talking point against the left?

 

[GO-NAD!]

Thanks for that. From an American mindset, well some of us, I distrust any further concentration of power in government. Its always an erosion of individual rights. I thought the invoking of the Emergency Powers Act was an overreaction given the seriousness of the threat posed by the truckers. I kind of understand this act doesn’t give the Canadian government the sweeping powers in the same way the War Measures Act did back in the day. I was willing to give Trudeau the benefit of the doubt since he had full access to the information to suss out the actual threat he was facing.

This seems to be turning into another case of "temporary emergency measures" being cemented in place, even some of them. I view our Patriot Act the same way. Time will tell.

Again, imo, people who support this further concentration of power never seem to consider that some day, with a different government in power, those tools will be used against them and their interests. .

My support for invoking the Emergencies Act is not without reservation. As you pointed out, it can swing both ways. But, it didn't seem like any concrete action was being taken to address the occupation up to that point.

These people had three weeks to make their point(s), incoherent as they were. It was past time to go home.

I wonder how a similar occupation of the US Capitol would have been handled.

 

[Eppie]

The article I read this morning stated charges of mischief. Really? Courts ordered them to stop using the horn and disband days ago.

A charge of mischief is more serious than it sounds. It can be an indictable (criminal) offence leading to a permanent criminal record and with that the possibility of being banned from entering some countries including the U.S. The charge of mischief is often used as a tactic by police because it allows them to arrest someone using a general charge as opposed to something specific. They can then investigate further and lay other charges as needed. Mischief is most commonly applied to acts of vandalism / property damage.

 

[Verdinut]

My support for invoking the Emergencies Act is not without reservation. As you pointed out, it can swing both ways. But, it didn't seem like any concrete action was being taken to address the occupation up to that point.

These people had three weeks to make their point(s), incoherent as they were. It was past time to go home.

I wonder how a similar occupation of the US Capitol would have been handled.

One of the problems with the Emergency Act is that it automatically involves the whole country, and not the specific area or areas in need of its application. This law needs to be modified to respond to specific needs in the future. Of course, there will be radical right protesting demonstrations in the future and countries will have to deal with them.

 

[Danzilla31]

My support for invoking the Emergencies Act is not without reservation. As you pointed out, it can swing both ways. But, it didn't seem like any concrete action was being taken to address the occupation up to that point.

These people had three weeks to make their point(s), incoherent as they were. It was past time to go home.

I wonder how a similar occupation of the US Capitol would have been handled.

Being on the outside looking in I felt they the truckers should have left abruptly like ghosted around the week and a half mark to 2 week mark abruptly like right in the middle of the talks

Sending the message we came when we wanted on our terms and we'll leave when we want on our terms. Would've left a more powerful message and we could be back when we want on our terms

Instead they pushed it too far and actually got the government more control and a lot of them in legal situations that will mess with there lives greatly.

Just bad tactics at the end

 

[Danzilla31]

My support for invoking the Emergencies Act is not without reservation. As you pointed out, it can swing both ways. But, it didn't seem like any concrete action was being taken to address the occupation up to that point.

These people had three weeks to make their point(s), incoherent as they were. It was past time to go home.

I wonder how a similar occupation of the US Capitol would have been handled.

And you'll have to excuse us Americans sometimes for being jaded a bit with some our reactions

A lot of us were kindoff wondering where our gov was both local and federal when cities where burning and people where getting killed businesses were getting burned down and looted billions of dollars in losses were occuring when we had our protests that spun out of control. We even had politicians gaslighting this stuff there's literally compilation videos of them on air just encouraging it

So there's some bitterness from our side left over I think

For what it's worth the moment this became super disruptive to the regular citizens they the truckers should have ghosted or as it played out your going to get removed the law is the law.

 

[mtrycrafts]

One of the problems with the Emergency Act is that it automatically involves the whole country, and not the specific area or areas in need of its application. This law needs to be modified to respond to specific needs in the future. Of course, there will be radical right protesting demonstrations in the future and countries will have to deal with them.

Were there no other areas of Canada that had similar issues with truckers? Clogging international trade, etc?

 

[GO-NAD!]

Were there no other areas of Canada that had similar issues with truckers? Clogging international trade, etc?

There were several border crossings blocked, which have since been cleared. I'm not sure if it's over and done with, or if it'll be whack-a-mole for the foreseeable future.

 

[Verdinut]

Were there no other areas of Canada that had similar issues with truckers? Clogging international trade, etc?

In Coutts, Alberta, a bridge connecting it with your country was also blocked. But I understand the province did manage to dismantle the blockade without having to use the Emergency Act measures.
What happened in Ontario is that neither the city of Ottawa nor the provincial government did their job to remove the protesters. The Ottawa police were not well prepared to receive the protesters and failed to block roads to the Parliament area. The Federal government, after 2½ weeks, decided to take action by enacting the last resort Emergency Act.

 

[Eppie]

Were there no other areas of Canada that had similar issues with truckers? Clogging international trade, etc?

I think it was the closure of the border crossings that forced the government's hand. We're talking hundreds of MILLIONS per day and well over a billion in lost trade. That also raised the ire of a lot of Canadians. Parking in front of parliament hill was one thing, but blocking border trade received wide condemnation. Border crossings were blocked in British Columbia, Alberta, Manitoba and Ontario with the Detroit crossing carrying the majority of trade. You probably heard of some car plants having to halt production due to the break in the supply chain. I bet a lot of companies are going to re-evaluate just in time delivery.

There are currently truckers parked at the Manitoba legislature demanding a meeting with the Prime Minister. (Good luck with that.) Toronto, Ontario has been pretty good at keeping the government buildings accessible, but they have major hospitals near by and added that to the reasons needed for blocking off roads as required. In Ottawa some people also circled the airport for a few hours creating traffic jams but that only lasted one day.

 

[mtrycrafts]

... You probably heard of some car plants having to halt production due to the break in the supply chain. I bet a lot of companies are going to re-evaluate just in time delivery.

...

Yes, indeed, I hear of this.

 

[3db]

In Coutts, Alberta, a bridge connecting it with your country was also blocked. But I understand the province did manage to dismantle the blockade without having to use the Emergency Act measures.
What happened in Ontario is that neither the city of Ottawa nor the provincial government did their job to remove the protesters. The Ottawa police were not well prepared to receive the protesters and failed to block roads to the Parliament area. The Federal government, after 2½ weeks, decided to take action by enacting the last resort Emergency Act.

The Coutts Alberta border was interesting as the RCMP learned that some of the protestors had in their poccession, high power rifles and ammunition so they raided these guys first and everything else after that fell apart.

The biggest boarder crossing was the Ambassador Bridge linking Windsor with Detroit and police squashed that one as well. It affected the Canadian economy the most.

Ottawa, although not troublesome from a financial POV was a much bigger beast to tame in that the protestors outnumbered the Ottawa Police force. The Ottawa police force is useless on a good day. They were far over their head in this one and failed to react in time to prevent the entrenchment of the protestors. The Emergency Act was used to lock all moneys from flowing to the protest group and to allow a coordinatde police response made up of multiple police forces. Im no fan of Trudeau but this had to be done.

 

[GO-NAD!]

Well, the Emergencies Act has been rescinded. I guess the obligatory public inquiry will determine whether it was justified, or not.
Trudeau ends use of Emergencies Act, says 'situation is no longer an emergency' | CBC News

 

[3db]

Well, the Emergencies Act has been rescinded. I guess the obligatory public inquiry will determine whether it was justified, or not.
Trudeau ends use of Emergencies Act, says 'situation is no longer an emergency' | CBC News

Another useless debate will that will prevent the government from moving ahead to do what's best for Canada.

 

[Verdinut]

Another useless debate will that will prevent the government from moving ahead to do what's best for Canada.

Those useless debates prevent immediate action when it is required. That reminds me of the United States constitution.

 

[highfigh]

BTW-

Fascism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[highfigh]

Those useless debates prevent immediate action when it is required. That reminds me of the United States constitution.

So, it's better to jump to conclusions and act than to decide on the best course?

Good, for you.

 

[Verdinut]

So, it's better to jump to conclusions and act than to decide on the best course?

Good, for you.

I was implying that when immediate action is required, debates last days.

 

[3db]

BTW-

Fascism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

BTW? You think the invocation of the Emergency Act was a facist move considering it was in place in less than two weeks before being removed? I think the Canadian economy and inflation is far more pressing than asking permission for implementing the act after the fact.