The freedom convoy of antivaxers here in Canada are a bunch of facist pigs.

[Mikado463]

Whether your agreed with or not welcome to the site. Took a lot of balls to make this your first post. Unlike some I believe your comments are welcome. Free speech is free speech. Since your usually quiet and we may not hear from you for awhile just want to thank you for joining and supporting this forum. It takes a lot of members from all sorts of backgrounds for Gene to be able to afford to keep this going. Can't be supported by only lefties Thank you for your contribution.

hey Dan, I see 'Trell the troll' gave you a 'dumb' award, welcome to the club !!

 

[SithZedi]

hey Dan, I see 'Trell the troll' gave you a 'dumb' award, welcome to the club !!

Hopefully, it's just a flesh wound.

 

[Danzilla31]

hey Dan, I see 'Trell the troll' gave you a 'dumb' award, welcome to the club !!

With that guy I consider it a badge of honor

 

[GO-NAD!]

A Canadian banker friend sent this to me. Forget for a moment that it comes from Levant. Is the footage real or is it a send up?

I cannot find the original press conference to verify which makes me think its a fake sendup.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1494852056145969155

Levant is being disingenuous. She did not say "she plans to make her emergency powers permanent". She said some of the tools needed during the emergency would be made permanent, such as expanding the authority of FINTRAC* to monitor crowdsourcing platforms. One could argue that it may be overreach, but it is not all the same as making her emergency powers permanent, implying a permanent state of emergency.

*Financial Transactions and Reports Analysis Centre of Canada - Wikipedia

 

[GO-NAD!]

Trudeau is issuing a double-dog-dare to opposition parties. The Tories have no leader, since they just fired their last one and will get annihilated if an election is called..

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1495810487283589120

 

[Mikado463]

With that guy I consider it a badge of honor

Agreed ! Given the medal count from this years Olympics I suspect he's feeling a little 'flush' right now !

 

[SithZedi]

Levant is being disingenuous. She did not say "she plans to make her emergency powers permanent". She said some of the tools needed during the emergency would be made permanent, such as expanding the authority of FINTRAC* to monitor crowdsourcing platforms. One could argue that it may be overreach, but it is not all the same as making her emergency powers permanent, implying a permanent state of emergency.

*Financial Transactions and Reports Analysis Centre of Canada - Wikipedia

Thanks for that. From an American mindset, well some of us, I distrust any further concentration of power in government. Its always an erosion of individual rights. I thought the invoking of the Emergency Powers Act was an overreaction given the seriousness of the threat posed by the truckers. I kind of understand this act doesn’t give the Canadian government the sweeping powers in the same way the War Measures Act did back in the day. I was willing to give Trudeau the benefit of the doubt since he had full access to the information to suss out the actual threat he was facing.

This seems to be turning into another case of "temporary emergency measures" being cemented in place, even some of them. I view our Patriot Act the same way. Time will tell.

Again, imo, people who support this further concentration of power never seem to consider that some day, with a different government in power, those tools will be used against them and their interests. .

 

[3db]

Thanks for that. From an American mindset, well some of us, I distrust any further concentration of power in government. Its always an erosion of individual rights. I thought the invoking of the Emergency Powers Act was an overreaction given the seriousness of the threat posed by the truckers. I kind of understand this act doesn’t give the Canadian government the sweeping powers in the same way the War Measures Act did back in the day. I was willing to give Trudeau the benefit of the doubt since he had full access to the information to suss out the actual threat he was facing.

This seems to be turning into another case of "temporary emergency measures" being cemented in place, even some of them. I view our Patriot Act the same way. Time will tell.

Again, imo, people who support this further concentration of power never seem to consider that some day, with a different government in power, those tools will be used against them and their interests. .

Being a Canadian and playing the devil's advocate.. What protects the citizens from these kind of protestors? The residents of Ottawa lost their freedom to go out and enjoy Ottawa at the hands of these protestors. Funding (we are finding out that some of the funding came out of the US and other country fringe groups) had to be cut off or this movment would have gone off indefiniately. Funding should never be alllowed to happen for hate groups. Truckers themselves arent but the fringe aholes that flew the Confederate, Trump 2024, and Swastika flags should never be allowed to gather funds to promote this kind of poop. Promoting hate and instability is cause enough for losing one's freedom and individual rights.

 

[Uncle_Big_Green]

Wow. Definitely some Fatal Conceit around here. Oh well...

 

[Verdinut]

Wow. Definitely some Fatal Conceit around here. Oh well...

You don't seem to know what is the difference between what is reasonable and what is not. According to you, we should allow people to disrupt the peace of others and threaten democracy.

 

[SithZedi]

Being a Canadian and playing the devil's advocate.. What protects the citizens from these kind of protestors? The residents of Ottawa lost their freedom to go out and enjoy Ottawa at the hands of these protestors. Funding (we are finding out that some of the funding came out of the US and other country fringe groups) had to be cut off or this movment would have gone off indefiniately. Funding should never be alllowed to happen for hate groups. Truckers themselves arent but the fringe aholes that flew the Confederate, Trump 2024, and Swastika flags should never be allowed to gather funds to promote this kind of poop. Promoting hate and instability is cause enough for losing one's freedom and individual rights.

Yes, I am familiar with the role of devil's advocate, even being called Lucifer on occasion. I cannot disagree with your points well stated.

From a certain US pov(sorry it was wrong or me to say American, I get s$$t from my LATAM friends when I do that) we seem to have a higher tolerance for violent protests given many of our cities burned during the summer of 2020. This went on for weeks causing billions of dollars worth of damage and many lives lost without an effective police response. In some cases, the mayors of these cities directed the police to be rather hands off. Neither were these protestors deemed terrorists in the legal sense and it seems none of their funding from the outside was cut off. Some our senior politicians actually set up funding to pay bail for the occasional arrest.

Whatever the cause may be, the rule of law should be upheld to protect the innocent and private property.

 

[Leviathan024]

You don't seem to know what is the difference between what is reasonable and what is not. According to you, we should allow people to disrupt the peace of others and threaten democracy.

Where was your outrage when the blm riots defaced our statues or the "every child matters" crew burned our churches? Oh that's right those were ok with you because they aligned with your desire for marxism

 

[Leviathan024]

Being a Canadian and playing the devil's advocate.. What protects the citizens from these kind of protestors? The residents of Ottawa lost their freedom to go out and enjoy Ottawa at the hands of these protestors. Funding (we are finding out that some of the funding came out of the US and other country fringe groups) had to be cut off or this movment would have gone off indefiniately. Funding should never be alllowed to happen for hate groups. Truckers themselves arent but the fringe aholes that flew the Confederate, Trump 2024, and Swastika flags should never be allowed to gather funds to promote this kind of poop. Promoting hate and instability is cause enough for losing one's freedom and individual rights.

What hate groups and loss of freedoms for residents of Ottawa are you talking about? The only hate groups I see are the liberal and ndp supporters who promote the closure of small business, firing co workers for not taking a Vax and reporting neighbour's for having family over at Christmas. I was there on the ground and did not witness anything but a lot of noise and the closure of streets at the LEGISLATIVE building! How often are you traveling to the capital building in your daily life that you lost your freedoms? History is not going to look kindly on those who support Trudeau, the emergency act and the mandates. If you support trudeas actions and wonder what type of awful human would have voted hitler or stalin into power...just look in the mirror

 

[Verdinut]

Where was your outrage when the blm riots defaced our statues or the "every child matters" crew burned our churches? Oh that's right those were ok with you because they aligned with your desire for marxism

You changed the subject. And how do you know that I wasn't outraged about those happenings? It's no use continuing discussion with you. Why don't you go to another site to publish your bullshit?

 

[3db]

What hate groups and loss of freedoms for residents of Ottawa are you talking about? The only hate groups I see are the liberal and ndp supporters who promote the closure of small business, firing co workers for not taking a Vax and reporting neighbour's for having family over at Christmas. I was there on the ground and did not witness anything but a lot of noise and the closure of streets at the LEGISLATIVE building! How often are you traveling to the capital building in your daily life that you lost your freedoms? History is not going to look kindly on those who support Trudeau, the emergency act and the mandates. If you support trudeas actions and wonder what type of awful human would have voted hitler or stalin into power...just look in the mirror

So now you stand behind the confederate and trump 2024 flags as well as the swastikas? The last time I checked, they were symbols of hate and oppression, not tolerance and love. I saw these flags flying on the trucks driving into Ottawa as I was making my way from Kanata to St Laurent Boulevard to pick up a cassette deck from a repair shop.

 

[Leviathan024]

So now you stand behind the confederate and trump 2024 flags as well as the swastikas? The last time I checked, they were symbols of hate and oppression, not tolerance and love. I saw these flags flying on the trucks driving into Ottawa as I was making my way from Kanata to St Laurent Boulevard to pick up a cassette deck from a repair shop.

1 person waved the nazi flag that the media showed and it had text on it that said Trudeau was a nazi.. it also had the gadsden flag on it which would 100% contradict nazi ideology. You are spreading lies and you know it but what is your end game for doing so? I have no problem at all with trump and support him 100% in 2024 even though I am not American. Also the confederate flag is a symbol of rebellion and pride of the South which I also have no problem with. I guess all the southern rappers with the symbol on thier album covers are racists right? Honk Honk for freedom!

 

[3db]

1 person waved the nazi flag that the media showed and it had text on it that said Trudeau was a nazi.. it also had the gadsden flag on it which would 100% contradict nazi ideology. You are spreading lies and you know it but what is your end game for doing so? I have no problem at all with trump and support him 100% in 2024 even though I am not American. Also the confederate flag is a symbol of rebellion and pride of the South which I also have no problem with. I guess all the southern rappers with the symbol on thier album covers are racists right? Honk Honk for freedom!

The Confederates stood behind slavery and didnt want to give that up.. Im done argueing with you and your stupidity. Peace out!!

 

[Leviathan024]

The Confederates stood behind slavery. Im done argueing with you and your stupidity. Peace out!!

You stand for marxism, fascism and treason towards your fellow citizen. I ask again what is your reason for doing so? I stand for freedom of choice for EVERYONE so what is wrong with that? Are you unhappy people are out enjoying life and do not want to be locked down and miserable like yourself?

 

[Lazasar]

Anti-vaxxers are highly immune to facts and rational reasoning, but I do think that his posts should not go unchallenged as a public service to help stop the spread of misinformation.

Not an anti vax guy. I am a logic guy. The vaccines do not prevent the spread. They do, however, significant enhance your chance of surviving….that is why I think you should get the vaccine if you are in a high risk group. If you are in a low risk group, I don’t see it…. But do as you will and allow others to do the same.

 

[Lazasar]

For those quoting my anecdote and saying "you didn't die, that's the point"

I lost two vaccinated family members to this crap. Did it stop them from dying? No.

Like I said, I don't see the point.

I am sorry for your loss.