Mikado463

Mikado463

Audioholic Spartan
What's interesting in my area is the largest increase over the past couple of weeks has been in regular gas, not premium.
 
davidscott

davidscott

Audioholic Spartan
If not Trump Cruze or Desantis? If not Bidin Harris? Marjorie Taylor vs AOC? I don't know if I can even vote with those choices. What are basically coming down to is a fascist vs a socialist party. Heaven help us.
 
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Mikado463

Mikado463

Audioholic Spartan
David, you aren't contemplating a move to Ukraine are you ?? ;)
 
davidscott

davidscott

Audioholic Spartan
Too cold I might have to move to the Bahamas or Caymans. :) I do like NE Florida's weather anyway.
 
SithZedi

SithZedi

Audioholic General
If not Trump Cruze or Desantis? If not Bidin Harris? Marjorie Taylor vs AOC? I don't know if I can even vote with those choices. What are basically coming down to is a fascist vs a socialist party. Heaven help us.
The choices are bleak...I would love to see Condi Rice throw her hat into the ring. She's only 68 so we don't have to do the walking dead thing again.
 
davidscott

davidscott

Audioholic Spartan
The choices are bleak...I would love to see Condi Rice throw her hat into the ring. She's only 68 so we don't have to do the walking dead thing again.
I did really like Rice when she was in office. I'd vote for her.
 
Mikado463

Mikado463

Audioholic Spartan
The only one I cared for over the past decade was Colin Powell, but alas the good they die young ......
 
davidscott

davidscott

Audioholic Spartan
The only one I cared for over the past decade was Colin Powell, but alas the good they die young ......
Powell was a great man, but Rice also did a good job in the Bush administration. And I'd vote for her whichever party she would be running. But she is so rational neither of these parties would want her. She wouldn't appeal to the base. :(
 
Mikado463

Mikado463

Audioholic Spartan
Powell was a great man, but Rice also did a good job in the Bush administration. And I'd vote for her whichever party she would be running. But she is so rational neither of these parties would want her. She wouldn't appeal to the base. :(
seeing that this is an audio forum I'd love to just hear her play the piano !
 
SithZedi

SithZedi

Audioholic General
Maybe you mean you don't believe in the journalistic efforts of the right. I get that but the void is huge, encompasses 95% of the media, and intentionally so.
Don't worry about Fox, once old man Murdoch passes his lefty kids will move Fox to the center if not left completely. Then that will open up a void on the right. Maybe that's what Trump will do if he doesn't run again. That could be a safer option.
Just posted this in Ukraine thread but it fits our back and forth about the of US media. Taibbi has done good investigative work in his past and is a fairly fun read.

 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Not more scrutiny just equal amounts

And who said Trump deserves any respect? :D

This is what you get I guess when you have a 2 party system that gives us as our top 2 choices......

Drum roll please..........

Trump and Biden! Select the best one to change the world!

I'm like sitting there going Fu#$ my life man just fu#$ my life :D

Have a good night
LOL my biggest regret is somehow we're relying on grandpa types close to death in the first place! Grumpy gramps don't make for particularly good leadership unless you only deal in hindsight, and limited at that....
Don't think it's to do with actors, etc. It's to do with if their policies are good the country or not. If we're going to label scumbags in DC let's label them all sides. Bush, Clinton, Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, on and on. The main accomplishments being making money in and when they get out of office and screw the common American.

Am not one of those people that hate oxygen because Trump happens to breathe it. Am going to play Devil's advocate. New Yorker's have lived with Trump since the 80s. He is what he has always been a brash, loud mouthed building contractor that will do anything to make a deal and a fighter. He's done good for NY and bad. People forget what a sh*thole NYC was in the 1980s. Before Guiliani, Trump was practically the only guy investing in building NYC back and helped open the doors for its rehabilitation in the 90s.

Being the opportunist that he is, Trump just stepped in front of a movement that has been building since 2008 with the subprime bust and gained momentum after Obama care was rammed down the nation's throat in 2010. The TEA party was the result of that as in Taxed Enough Already and that is certainly the case. That movement still echos in that it hates big corrupt government lead by people who line their pockets and accumulate power while saying they care for the common person. The Media is in bed with them.

If Trump survives the NY AG going after his corporate tax filings the 2024 nomination will be his. This November is important to that decision because he will probably not run if the Repubs don't win Congress. Right now, it's looking like it will be a wave election for Repubs so then the dye will be cast. Half the Dems don't want Biden on the ticket so who will they put up against him?

Unfortunately, we have to play the cards we're dealt.
I remember Reagan had policies but went another direction after elected. Political pressures are what they are and a figurehead only means so much, especially the ones with relatively poor capacity like Reagan, who was more a conniving airhead than anything. Drumph is just a poor example of what inheritance can bring, he's a really poor result. He's not particularly successful outside of real estate's natural tendency to increase in value in his era....others have been far more successful, otoh. Many of drumphies businesses have been failures, he uses lawyers and LLCs to obfuscate and cheat others with. He's been coached by the mob lawyer Cohn, and it shows. Ever since drumphy phoned in his own wealth valuations to make the billionaire list he's been less than reliable. I hope he gets skewered on tax evasion or something along those lines....his punk charity was just a glimpse at the crap this guy pulls. Glad to see Mazars finally yank support, but probably too late to matter a lot, altho drumphy's response has been classically bad. Can't imagine why republicans are so desperate to have this fool represent them, but then again the demos haven't done well either.....but both are more aimed at balancing/cancelling each other out than doing anything particularly useful.
 
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shadyJ

Speaker of the House
Staff member
Right, the leftwing media is the holy grail of journalism, not circular at all, we should just believe it and ignore other sources. Conservatives use leftwing sources as a source of ridicule as well as highlight the double standards that exist. Also, leftwing media is the only media the left will believe so conservatives are forced to use it.
I would be reluctant to use Fox or even the WSJ to prove a point to my lefty friends so I am forced at times to use the dumpster fire that is CNN LOL.
There used to be a guy who posted here some years ago who always posted stories from right-wing news sources trying to get people outraged about something that liberals or democrats did or something along those lines. Nearly every single story that he posted was easily debunked, maybe even every single story, and that was something that was easy to do, and something I did when I had more time to indulge in this BS. All I had to do was look for the source of the story- there never was one, or the source was extremely flaky or wildly exaggerated. Conservative news has no credibility for good reasons.

Many of the sources that you think is somehow "leftist" like CNN (insane that CNN could ever be considered leftist) has to meet a much higher standard of journalism than pretty much every conservative news company. Many of their reporters and editorial staff have degrees from Northwestern or Columbia NY or other top journalism schools. They are extensively trained for accurate reporting. There is no corresponding culture for accurate reportage in conservative news. Many of their reporters are communications majors who interned for some republican politician. Some of them at Foxnews are fished out of local networks who were deemed to be "ideologically compatible" i.e., willing to spout BS for a bigger paycheck.

I have my problems with many major news sources, but even a news outlet as trashy as CNN is incomparably more dependable in the raw facts of their story than any conservative news organization. Hell, any article that I write for Audioholics is going to be much more reliable than any conservative news. I bother to get my facts vetted before going to print and make a real effort to ensure that everything I write is correct. I wish I could be as lazy and sloppy as Newsmax or Foxnews. It would be so much easier to just make up BS around something I read in Pravda and never having to worry about anyone attacking my integrity. I would say the reason why conservative "news" don't really have any journalistic ethics is because they know that their target audience don't really care about the truth either. Hence the reason why they think Donald Trump won the 2020 election and COVID vaccines are Chinese mind-control nanobots.
 
Mikado463

Mikado463

Audioholic Spartan
Shady, thank you for letting us know you are 'left of center' .......... :rolleyes:
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
As a Canadian, I dont understand why a country as rich as the US cant look after its disadvantaged people. As an outsider looking in, I think Obama (spelling is most likely is wrong) care is long over due.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
As a Canadian, I dont understand why a country as rich as the US cant look after its disadvantaged people. As an outsider looking in, I think Obama (spelling is most likely is wrong) care is long over due.
As a US citizen it is baffling. Except the medical lobby as it exists is strong, as well as the "insurance" companies.....we can do better but we choose not to.
 
SithZedi

SithZedi

Audioholic General
There used to be a guy who posted here some years ago who always posted stories from right-wing news sources trying to get people outraged about something that liberals or democrats did or something along those lines. Nearly every single story that he posted was easily debunked, maybe even every single story, and that was something that was easy to do, and something I did when I had more time to indulge in this BS. All I had to do was look for the source of the story- there never was one, or the source was extremely flaky or wildly exaggerated. Conservative news has no credibility for good reasons.

Many of the sources that you think is somehow "leftist" like CNN (insane that CNN could ever be considered leftist) has to meet a much higher standard of journalism than pretty much every conservative news company. Many of their reporters and editorial staff have degrees from Northwestern or Columbia NY or other top journalism schools. They are extensively trained for accurate reporting. There is no corresponding culture for accurate reportage in conservative news. Many of their reporters are communications majors who interned for some republican politician. Some of them at Foxnews are fished out of local networks who were deemed to be "ideologically compatible" i.e., willing to spout BS for a bigger paycheck.

I have my problems with many major news sources, but even a news outlet as trashy as CNN is incomparably more dependable in the raw facts of their story than any conservative news organization. Hell, any article that I write for Audioholics is going to be much more reliable than any conservative news. I bother to get my facts vetted before going to print and make a real effort to ensure that everything I write is correct. I wish I could be as lazy and sloppy as Newsmax or Foxnews. It would be so much easier to just make up BS around something I read in Pravda and never having to worry about anyone attacking my integrity. I would say the reason why conservative "news" don't really have any journalistic ethics is because they know that their target audience don't really care about the truth either. Hence the reason why they think Donald Trump won the 2020 election and COVID vaccines are Chinese mind-control nanobots.
Well I guess we disagree on CNN.
On another note, same subject, I was sent this link a while ago on bias in the media. Interesting chart and website. As far as this charts accurancy goes well that's up to the reader.

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shadyJ

Speaker of the House
Staff member
Well I guess we disagree on CNN.
On another note, same subject, I was sent this link a while ago on bias in the media. Interesting chart and website. As far as this charts accurancy goes well that's up to the reader.

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That chart is insanity. The New York Times and CNN equal to Breitbart and OAN in political leaning? That chart's overton window is badly skewed to the right. Newsmax and OAN make Benito Mussolini look like Jimmy Carter. Here is a much more sane chart:
 
SithZedi

SithZedi

Audioholic General
That chart is insanity. The New York Times and CNN equal to Breitbart and OAN in political leaning? That chart's overton window is badly skewed to the right. Newsmax and OAN make Benito Mussolini look like Jimmy Carter. Here is a much more sane chart:
Thanks for that. Much more informative chart with the breakout of TV vs Web news. Also, how within the same organisation TV is less reliable than their Web version by some margin. Some surprises, at least to me. The New Republic has drifted over to the solid left. I used to be a devotee back in Uni. Also, CNN TV is on par with Fox Web for High Variation Reliability. That's going to make some of my friends heads explode on both the right and left.
Glad I do not watch TV that does not contain loud sound tracks or music videos.
 
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Danzilla31

Audioholic Spartan
That chart is insanity. The New York Times and CNN equal to Breitbart and OAN in political leaning? That chart's overton window is badly skewed to the right. Newsmax and OAN make Benito Mussolini look like Jimmy Carter. Here is a much more sane chart:
If you think CNN or a lot of mainstream so called left media is any better then the right Shady I don't know what to tell you. I actually do the opposite of you from any news sources left or right that are mainstream. I get the story research it through links and then find smaller outlets that have really good reputations and a lot of times what you find on both sides of the political news left or right the truth unfiltered will actually shock you a little bit. Mainstream media is just so bogus all of it. They all have an angle. All of them.
 
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