highfigh

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Seriously, I have no life.
Vaccine hesitancy amongst some ethnicities is a thing in Canada, as well.
What's the population density and where are they located? Your main group who would hesitate are Indigenous, right? The US has two groups that are vaccine hesitant and each is larger than the entire population of Canada- they also live in large pockets in cities where other groups aren't represented as well, so proximity plays a large role in this.

Segregation plays a role in both countries.
 
GO-NAD!

GO-NAD!

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What's the population density and where are they located? Your main group who would hesitate are Indigenous, right? The US has two groups that are vaccine hesitant and each is larger than the entire population of Canada- they also live in large pockets in cities where other groups aren't represented as well, so proximity plays a large role in this.

Segregation plays a role in both countries.
Indigenous and African-Canadians, certainly. Locations vary, as well as population densities. I'm not making a direct comparison, I'm just saying that there is a similar pattern in both countries.
 
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Mr._Clark

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Well I guess my immune system is not up to par, as of Monday I got my 2 booster. So I should be DNA revised and track-able for sure per the anti-vaxers :D. PS, not the first side effect.
Hopefully you're at least getting free 5G internet from that chip they stuck in you?

And, of course, no, no, no, no, I'm not suggesting I actually believe in any of the wacky "vaccines have chips" in them hogwash.

 
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Here's an article about excess deaths in the U.S. which touches on some of the reasons there have been so many deaths here:

>>>Although the vast majority of the excess deaths are due to the virus, the CDC mortality records also expose swollen numbers of deaths from heart disease, hypertension, dementia and other ailments across two years of pandemic misery. . . . The CDC's excess deaths tracker shows in graphic detail the speed and intensity of that initial wave: Deaths had soared more than 40 percent above normal nationally in the second week of April 2020.

The lethality was concentrated in a few hot spots: In the second week of April, deaths in New York City were seven times the norm. But some regions had minimal change in mortality for many months. . . . The CDC records show a small, but distinct spike in deaths in late 2017 and early 2018, driven by an unusually severe flu season. But that was a tiny bump compared with what the CDC has seen since the coming of the coronavirus. . . .

The United States on the whole has an unusually high rate of chronic health conditions, such as obesity, diabetes and heart disease, and has a long-recognized "health disadvantage" compared with other wealthy nations.

That disadvantage was exacerbated by a weak and scattershot response to the pandemic, Woolf said. Other countries that reacted more quickly or took more aggressive postures to control viral spread early on were able to limit their death toll as well as long-term economic impacts, he said.

"We did not handle it well. That's glaringly obvious," he said. "The other countries got hit by the same virus, but no country has experienced the number of deaths we have, and even if you adjust for population, we are among the highest in the world."<<<


It occurred to me that Canada might track COVID deaths differently than in the U.S., in which case the excess deaths might be a better way to compare the effects of the pandemic in the two countries (I suspect that there probably isn't much of a difference in how the two countries track COVID deaths, but I haven't found anything directly proving or disproving this).

I did find one website listing excess deaths in Canada, but I have not tried to crunch the numbers on a per capita basis in order to directly compare the two countries (perhaps the numbers have already been crunched, and I didn't see it).

 
SithZedi

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In addition to adding flavor, ground peanuts or peanut butter are sometimes used to thicken the sauce in some Asian dishes.
Got to be careful with the peanuts these days, so many are allergic. It's strange but 50 years ago I did not know anyone with a peanut allergy. Now, fuggedabbodit...
 
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cpp

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Hopefully you're at least getting free 5G internet from that chip they stuck in you?

And, of course, no, no, no, no, I'm not suggesting I actually believe in any of the wacky "vaccines have chips" in them hogwash.

I wish, but I have noticed my cell service is better LOLOLOL, could it be ( or that new tower Verizon installed 2 miles from here ). OH and before long I can be a personal wifi hot spot :D.

But on a serious note, I was amazed how many people were at Mayo getting their 2 booster in Jacksonville. And I did run into a first time anti ( Trump shirt and all) vaxer getting his 1st covid shot. I asked him why, well it seems his mother passed away from covid and he has this guilt trip, since she listened to him and she suffered. . He was 50. I told him sorry about your mom and good luck and welcome to the reality of covid and the vaccine.
 
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I wish, but I have noticed my cell service is better LOLOLOL, could it be ( or that new tower Verizon installed 2 miles from here ). OH and before long I can be a personal wifi hot spot :D.

But on a serious note, I was amazed how many people were at Mayo getting their 2 booster in Jacksonville. And I did run into a first time anti ( Trump shirt and all) vaxer getting his 1st covid shot. I asked him why, well it seems his mother passed away from covid and he has this guilt trip, since she listened to him and she suffered. . He was 50. I told him sorry about your mom and good luck and welcome to the reality of covid and the vaccine.
Good news that some anti vaxers are coming around. Hell, his hero Trump admitted he had been vaxed at a rally (to boos so he changed the subject). So, you are from the Jax area? I live in St Johns County about halfway between St Augustine and Jacksonville.
 
davidscott

davidscott

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Got to be careful with the peanuts these days, so many are allergic. It's strange but 50 years ago I did not know anyone with a peanut allergy. Now, fuggedabbodit...
Man, I'd hate to be allergic to peanuts. Can't imagine like without an occasional PBJ. :)
 
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Good news that some anti vaxers are coming around. Hell, his hero Trump admitted he had been vaxed at a rally (to boos so he changed the subject). So, you are from the Jax area? I live in St Johns County about halfway between St Augustine and Jacksonville.
I travel back and forth between Palm Coast ( my home is about 3 miles south of Marineland) and Mayo when I have my Dr appts.
 
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rnatalli

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Got to be careful with the peanuts these days, so many are allergic. It's strange but 50 years ago I did not know anyone with a peanut allergy. Now, fuggedabbodit...
Same here; the most common lunch when I was a kid was peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. The allergy is very real so something definitely changed over the past few decades.
 
davidscott

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Same here; the most common lunch when I was a kid was peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. The allergy is very real so something definitely changed over the past few decades.
Wonder why as peanut butter was a staple for so many years. Not to mention free peanuts as snacks at bars. :)
 
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I see that Denmark has exploded with COVID after lifting all restrictions ......
 
SithZedi

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Wonder why as peanut butter was a staple for so many years. Not to mention free peanuts as snacks at bars. :)
I always thought it was because our generation and prior were fed everything including nuts at an early age. In the 80s, there was a medical establishment "consensus" that it was bad to give nuts to children under age 3. Many parents took that advice and allergies skyrocketed. I think they were wrong about that and many are coming to the same conclusion.

 
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Mr._Clark

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But on a serious note, I was amazed how many people were at Mayo getting their 2 booster in Jacksonville. And I did run into a first time anti ( Trump shirt and all) vaxer getting his 1st covid shot. I asked him why, well it seems his mother passed away from covid and he has this guilt trip, since she listened to him and she suffered. . He was 50. I told him sorry about your mom and good luck and welcome to the reality of covid and the vaccine.
When you mentioned guilt trip, it reminded me of the news reports about an antivaxxer in Italy who apparently switched to being pro vaccine after a fan of his died from COVID. Given this guy's track record, I'm a little skeptical of his "conversion" but at least he isn't actively promoting BS anymore.

Antivaxxers seem to be fond of saying "follow the money" (as if this somehow proves that vaccines are not effective), but if what this guy says is true, there's plenty of money to be made selling antivax snake oil:

>>>An Italian doctor who was a prominent voice in Italy's anti-vaccine movement has had a change of heart, according to reports.

Pasquale Bacco spoke at around 300 anti-vaccine protests in Italy, Newsweek reported, and had thousands of followers opposed to getting shots. But after one died of COVID-19, he told the Italian newspaper Corriere della Messogiorno that he became racked with guilt. Now, a repentant Bacco is vaccinated and is urging his followers to do the same.

Bacco told Corriere della Messogiorno that the death of a 29-year-old follower deeply impacted him.

"The family told me that he was a fan of mine," Bacco said. "They didn't tell me with anger, on the contrary, and this hurt me even more." He continued, "I feel like that death was my fault, and that still bothers me today." Anti-vaccine leaders have "deaths on our conscience," Bacco told the paper, adding that he thinks they should be held accountable for their actions. . . .

Bacco said he was, in part, motivated by the financial incentive of building a brand as a prominent anti-vaxxer. The doctor told Corriere della Messogiorno that his private business increased a "thousandfold," and he could charge patients whatever he liked.<<<

 
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Seriously, I have no life.
I see that Denmark has exploded with COVID after lifting all restrictions ......
Is that a surprise to anyone? Covid is contagious. Many masks are not really worth anything, not N95 NIOSH certified, of course they don't work.
 
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Mr._Clark

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Is that a surprise to anyone? Covid is contagious. Many masks are not really worth anything, not N95 NIOSH certified, of course they don't work.
I noticed that the government in Denmark is pushing back, stating that the deaths are not being caused by COVID, but rather are deaths with COVID:

>>>“Dear Eric, once again we would like to stress that the numbers you are sharing with your followers shows (sic.) deaths with (Covid)-19. Not deaths because of (Covid)-19. We would recommend that you read our weekly report for more information on the subject,” SSI tweeted in response to Feigl-Ding. . . .
An SSI chart was posted showing a distinction between deaths caused by Covid-19 and deaths “with” Covid-19 and not caused by it, based on death certificate information. The SSI chart shows the number of deaths caused by Covid-19 to be stable.<<<


It's not entirely clear to me exactly how the overall death numbers and the death certificate information is determined in Denmark. As far as I know, in the U.S., even if a person has tested postive for COVID, it is not listed on the death certificate unless it either caused or contributed to the death (I believe COVID would be listed in Part I if it was the underlying cause, and it would be listed in Part II if it contributed, but COVID would not be listed at all if it did not cause or contribute to the death)

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As far as I can tell, there is no 20 (or 30) day rule in the U.S. that a death within a certain time frame of testing positive is presumed to be caused by COVID:


The Johns Hopkins data shows a big increase in COVID deaths in Denmark:

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If it's true that this includes both "with" and "caused by" COVID deaths, I find myself wondering how and why the "with" numbers are (apparently) getting fed into the data to begin with. Why not just report the death certificate numbers?

Johns Hopkins state that their data source for Denmark is the SSI:

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In other words, why in the world is the SSI apparently including the "with" numbers in their data, only to assert that it's misleading?
 
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I noticed an article at yahoo.com yesterday that stated the following:

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This is of course incorrect. The Supreme Court did not rule that the mandate was unconstitutional, it ruled that Biden had gone beyond the authority granted under the law that had been passed by Congress. I emailed the author of the article and pointed this out. Low and behold, today the article has been revised, and it is now accurate:

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There's a huge difference between the two. If the law had been ruled to be unconstitutional, congress could do little about it. However, given that in reality the court just said Biden went beyond his authority under the existing law, congress can still pass a law expressly granting him the authority to do so. In theory the new law might be struck down as unconstitutional, but the court has not yet addressed this issue.

As a general matter, public perceptions aside, the Supreme Court is reluctant to strike down laws as unconstitutional because it forever ties the hands of the democratically-elected legislative and executive branches which in theory represent the will of the people.
 
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GO-NAD!

GO-NAD!

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I noticed an article at yahoo.com yesterday that stated the following:

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This is of course incorrect. The Supreme Court did not rule that the mandate was unconstitutional, it ruled that Biden had gone beyond the authority granted under the law that had been passed by Congress. I emailed the author of the article and pointed this out. Low and behold, today the article has been revised, and it is now accurate:

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There's a huge difference between the two. If the law had been ruled to be unconstitutional, congress could do little about it. However, given that in reality the court just said Biden went beyond his authority under the existing law, congress can still pass a law expressly granting him the authority to do so. In theory the new law might be truck down as unconstitutional, but the court has not yet addressed this issue.

As a general matter, public perceptions aside, the Supreme Court is reluctant to strike down laws as unconstitutional because it forever ties the hands of the democratically-elected legislative and executive branches which in theory represent the will of the people.
Wow, you got pull!;)
 

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