Coronavirus

[mtrycrafts]

On a side note, my home state of Florida does not report hospitalizations or deaths of any tourists or part time residents. They just send the info back to their home states. So, the Florida numbers are badly understated. But it appears the fudged numbers here are going down.

One way to keep numbers low, lie and exclude.
Do they also not issue a death certificate and just let their home states informed so they can issue the certificates?

 

[cpp]

One way to keep numbers low, lie and exclude.
Do they also not issue a death certificate and just let their home states informed so they can issue the certificates?

My neighbor ( Florida) who was hoispitalized and tested positive for covid., his wife noted his death certificate showed heart failure and sepsis as the cause. He got sepsis from an IV. He wouldn't have been in the hospital if he would have not been so darn hard headed and got a few shots. He always told us, I was in the military for 20 years and got so many shots Im not going to get another. Such a nice guy. Darn shame.

Not related to FL, but this is how Mississippi handled death certificates and covid. https://msdh.ms.gov/msdhsite/_static/14,22075,420,694.html

 

[highfigh]

It's odd that we as a country have gotten used to these death rates. 2,500 per day is roughly the equivalent of D-Day every single day. It's in the ballpark of 9/11 (about 3,000 deaths). The fact that most of the deaths are by choice has made me somewhat indifferent to it.

History Channel link indicates that at the memorial site in Bedford, Virginia, 4414 names are on the bronze plaques for every Allied soldier, sailor, airman and coast guardsman.

How Many Were Killed on D‑Day? | HISTORY

Allied military leaders knew that casualties on D‑Day could be staggeringly high. Historians are still calculating the death toll.

www.history.com

I'm not sure they're choosing to die, that's the unintended consequence of their choice to not be vaccinated. They're risking death, but they think they'll survive. One think left out of your total is the number of people who based that choice on their doctor's advice.

 

[cpp]

In today's Ocala Fl Paper

Florida hides data showing how many tourists and snowbirds contract COVID-19 in the state
It’s unknown how many tourists and visitors caught COVID-19 in Florida; cases may be undercounted in the state and exaggerated elsewhere.

Florida's latest surge of COVID-19 did little to scare away tourists and snowbirds, state data show, but the influx of visitors and the state's lack of public case tracking may exaggerate case counts reported elsewhere and undercount them here.

When an out-of-stater catches the potentially deadly respiratory disease in Florida, state health officials don't report it to the public. Instead, they follow guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention by sending that data to the person's home state. Officials from the nonresident's state report the data to the CDC, which adds the case to the home state's infection tally, not Florida's.

 

[Mr._Clark]

History Channel link indicates that at the memorial site in Bedford, Virginia, 4414 names are on the bronze plaques for every Allied soldier, sailor, airman and coast guardsman.

How Many Were Killed on D‑Day? | HISTORY

Allied military leaders knew that casualties on D‑Day could be staggeringly high. Historians are still calculating the death toll.

www.history.com

I'm not sure they're choosing to die, that's the unintended consequence of their choice to not be vaccinated. They're risking death, but they think they'll survive. One think left out of your total is the number of people who based that choice on their doctor's advice.

Yeah, those are Allied deaths. When I said “we in this country” and 2,500 deaths I was referring to COVID deaths in this country and American deaths on D Day. No one seems to know the exact number of Americans killed on D Day but most estimates I’ve seen put it at around 2,500. The population of the United States is also undoubtedly much greater now, so it’s a lower percentage of the population.

My point was that a lot of people are dying from COVID every single day right now in the United States. I was trying to put into historical context. I’m not aware of any prior historical events that are precisely analogous to what is happening right now.

I realize many people who choose not to get vaccinated probably don’t do it intending to die from COVID but it is still a choice that causes their death (I.e. they would not have died but for the choice not to get vaccinated)

I don’t know how many of the unvaccinated who died of COVID did not get vaccinated based on advice from their doctor. I’m sure some choices are more informed than others

 

[Mr._Clark]

Yeah, those are Allied deaths. When I said “we in this country” and 2,500 deaths I was referring to COVID deaths in this country and American deaths on D Day. No one seems to know the exact number of Americans killed on D Day but most estimates I’ve seen put it at around 2,500. The population of the United States is also undoubtedly much greater now, so it’s a lower percentage of the population.

My point was that a lot of people are dying from COVID every single day right now in the United States. I was trying to put into historical context. I’m not aware of any prior historical events that are precisely analogous to what is happening right now.

I realize many people who choose not to get vaccinated probably don’t do it intending to die from COVID but it is still a choice that causes their death (I.e. they would not have died but for the choice not to get vaccinated)

I don’t know how many of the unvaccinated who died of COVID did not get vaccinated based on advice from their doctor. I’m sure some choices are more informed than others

This is somewhat off topic, but I guess I tend to think of D Day as an important event at least in part because my father was in one of the occupied countries that was liberated shortly after D-Day. My father’s family was actually liberated by Canadian forces, so I will always think of the Canooks as brothers in arms (shout out to @GO-NAD!)

 

[mtrycrafts]

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Not related to FL, but this is how Mississippi handled death certificates and covid. https://msdh.ms.gov/msdhsite/_static/14,22075,420,694.html

That list is way too short.

 

[cpp]

That list is way too short.

Must be a lot of legalese going on.

 

[Mikado463]

your 'poop' and COVID .............

How Rome's sewage could help prevent future pandemics | CNN

Modern cities spew out a constant surge of sewage, but floating in the smelly sludge are vital cellular clues about Covid-19 and its spread among the population.

www.cnn.com

 

[rnatalli]

Wow. This is some real magical thinking. We started sinning again so we ended up with Delta.

Nothing magical, just numbers. Many Delta deaths would have been prevented if people vaccinated. Relaxing restrictions before we were at herd was purely a political decision.


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[Swerd]

I saw an interesting article in the BBC News:
Why is Canada's Covid death rate so much lower than US?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60380317
Some excerpts:

Since the pandemic began, Canada has fared far better than the US, despite similar income disparities, territorial divides, and comorbidities such as obesity and hypertension as its southern neighbor.
There is a staggering difference, for example, in how many more Americans have died because of Covid compared to Canadians, both in absolute numbers and as the ratio of deaths per million inhabitants.

Some numbers and graphs:

The proportion of daily new confirmed Covid cases has been lower in Canada than the US throughout most of the pandemic.

The total death toll of the pandemic in the US stands at about 919,000, compared to 35,500 in Canada, according to Johns Hopkins University.
While the population of the US – over 332.4 million – is more than eight times Canada's 38.2 million, its ratio of deaths per million inhabitants still far surpasses Canada's.
Another set of statistics compiled by Johns Hopkins shows that as of 11 February, 279 US residents have died of Covid per 100,000, compared to about 94 in Canada.

As of 9 February, 80% of Canada's population was fully immunized against Covid-19, along with another 5% that is partially vaccinated, meaning they had received at least one dose of a multi-dose vaccine.
In the US, 64% of people are fully vaccinated and 12% partially vaccinated.

So what is going on, and why might Canada's experience be different to that of the US so far? Unlike the US, however, Canada has a universal, decentralized and publicly funded healthcare system administered by its 13 provinces and territories. That means that people, regardless of their socioeconomic status, have access to healthcare," said Dr. Donald Vinh, an infectious disease specialist at McGill University Health Centre in Montreal. "What makes that an important factor is that, regardless of where you are in your phase of illness, you will still be able to get healthcare."

Far more Americans were ending up in intensive care as well. Last month during the Omicron wave, the number peaked at nearly 79 per million when Canada's was 32 per million. "That has to be a function of healthcare systems. [Canada] is intervening quicker, and in different ways, than the US," Dr. Cameron said. "That's where severe cases are ending up when other approaches and interventions have failed."

The availability of universal health insurance is the "simplest" explanation for Canada's lower infections and deaths, said Ross Upshur, a professor of public health at the University of Toronto.

 

[Swerd]

Let me be the first to point out that the BBC analysis ignored some important differences between Canadians and Americans.

Canadians eat poutine – Americans eat their french fries without that nasty gravy and cheese curds.

 

[Trell]

Let me be the first to point out that the BBC analysis ignored some important differences between Canadians and Americans.

Canadians eat poutine – Americans eat their french fries without that nasty gravy and cheese curds.

Perhaps not eat so much French fries, with or without the delicious cheese and gravy?

 

[Mr._Clark]

The risk map at globalepidemics is finally starting show a few yellow areas. Compared to what it has been, this is actually kinda sorta good news of sorts*.

Risk Levels - Global Epidemics

RISK LEVELS First published in July 2020, our COVID-19 risk levels dashboard served as a tool for the public to track the pandemic in real time. As the pandemic has evolved and testing and reporting data have changed significantly, we have retired the dashboard as of December 2022. To explore...

globalepidemics.org

*Don't make me reach any further into my bag for legalese disclaimers!

 

[GO-NAD!]

Perhaps not eat so much French fries, with or without the delicious cheese and gravy?

Au contraire! It has become quite clear that French fries, in combination with cheese curds and gravy, work just as well as vaccines.

 

[mtrycrafts]

Au contraire! It has become quite clear that French fries, in combination with cheese curds and gravy, work just as well as vaccines.

Is it patented?

 

[SithZedi]

Au contraire! It has become quite clear that French fries, in combination with cheese curds and gravy, work just as well as vaccines.

There is a third way. In the Netherlands, they love their mayonnaise. It's actually very good....

 

[GO-NAD!]

There is a third way. In the Netherlands, they love their mayonnaise. It's actually very good....

Sweet potato fries with curried mayo is da bomb.

 

[GO-NAD!]

[QUO

I saw an interesting article in the BBC News:
Why is Canada's Covid death rate so much lower than US?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60380317
Some excerpts:

Some numbers and graphs:

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I would guess that the largest factors accounting for the difference in hospital/ICU admissions and deaths are:

1) Shear cases numbers per capita.
2) Higher vaccination rates in Canada (even though vaccination has been free in both countries).
3) Stricter public health measures in Canada and greater willingness to adhere to them.

I wouldn't think that universal health coverage can account for these factors. A useful comparison would be ICU admissions* and deaths as a percentage of cases, which may reflect differences in health care systems.

*There may be higher ICU admissions in the US, due to delayed hospitalization because of inadequate/no insurance coverage.

Of course, there will always questions about actual case numbers in both countries, as many cases are not being officially diagnosed and included in the stats.

 

[mtrycrafts]

Sweet potato fries with curried mayo is da bomb.

Is it low grade or nuclear?