Whatmough synergy3s vs klipsch r112sw

[Zerofox0070]

I’m new to this forum btw. Hi everyone I would like some advice on what subwoofer has better performance these subs are the klipsch r112sw vs whatmough synergy3s subwoofer I’m curious about the whatmough as it has a 75mm(3inch) voice coil and a 36mm linear excursion(xmax) it’s a 10 inch extreme throw driver and it has a sealed enclosure it’s frequency response is 80hz-22hz+/- 3db cone materiel is celious fibre amplifier is class a/b design and is 200 watts RMS whatmough themselves claim the driver has more output than most 305mm(12inch) drivers so I’m one the brink of getting the klipsch but can the whatmough actually outperform the klipsch when it comes to output and frequency response or is this just marketing nonsense by whatmough? Thanks for your time everyone.

 

[lovinthehd]

Never heard of Whatmough before....a little searching seems to have that as an Australian brand? Got links to manual or specs? The Klipsch R112sw wouldn't be a sub I'd buy but seems to be reasonably competent, particularly if you get a good price

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Holy balls! 1899 for a 10” sealed sub?
Not. A. Chance.
How much can you get the Klipsch for? Imo the ported 12” would be better, but they’re pretty cheap around here.
I wouldn’t get either, but it depends on budget, and especially availability.

 

[Zerofox0070]

The audio experts is a place you can go to look at the specs for the whatmough sub as I believe it is owned by whatmough or managed by them the specs for the whatmough is: enclosure type sealed.driver:250mm(10inch)celluous fibre cone extreme throw (extremely long throw) Frequency response 22hz-80hz +/- 3db Amplifier: 200 watts RMS class a/b amplifier design. On/auto/off switch volume/gain dial LPF of LFE/frequency dial phase dial. I believe the cabnit size is roughly a 13 inch curved cube many thanks for your help mate

 

[Zerofox0070]

Holy balls! 1899 for a 10” sealed sub?
Not. A. Chance.
How much can you get the Klipsch for? Imo the ported 12” would be better, but they’re pretty cheap around here.
I wouldn’t get either, but it depends on budget, and especially availability.

Ikr it is a very high price for for a sealed 10 inch lol well if that’s there standard of making $/£ on audiophile products then no wonder whatmough Isn’t very know at all but the specs say otherwise 36mm (1.4inches) of linear excursion could move some air do you think that the 3 inch voice coil so going to add more solid output here only being pushed 200 watts RMS as 3 inch voice coils can handle at 600-1000 watts rms anyway I can get the klipsch r112sw for about $500-$600 brand new which isn’t to bad thanks for help anyway mate

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

No worries!
This kinda depends on what you goals are, and how big the room is. For my money, the whatmough is out because it’s sealed, and it’s a 10”. AND I’ve never heard of them(wtf kinda name is that anyway lol)
The Klipsch is rated at 29hz and the WM is rated to 22hz. The problem is that the WM will also start rolling of at roughly the same(probably 35ish). It will have a shallower roll off slope, but due to its size, it won’t matter since it will go deeper, but at MUCH less output. For example if we had a competent sealed and ported version side by side, the ported sub would have as much as four times the output by 20hz. That means you’d need four sealed to keep up. These two are apples and oranges though so…
If these are the only two options, I’d buy two of the Klipsch. You’d be able to possibly get a much flatter FR, more output and likely better sound overall. No. I don’t believe the WM spec sheet offers anything amazing. Sorry mate.

 

[Zerofox0070]

No worries!
This kinda depends on what you goals are, and how big the room is. For my money, the whatmough is out because it’s sealed, and it’s a 10”. AND I’ve never heard of them(wtf kinda name is that anyway lol)
The Klipsch is rated at 29hz and the WM is rated to 22hz. The problem is that the WM will also start rolling of at roughly the same(probably 35ish). It will have a shallower roll off slope, but due to its size, it won’t matter since it will go deeper, but at MUCH less output. For example if we had a competent sealed and ported version side by side, the ported sub would have as much as four times the output by 20hz. That means you’d need four sealed to keep up. These two are apples and oranges though so…
If these are the only two options, I’d buy two of the Klipsch. You’d be able to possibly get a much flatter FR, more output and likely better sound overall. No. I don’t believe the WM spec sheet offers anything amazing. Sorry mate.

Thanks for the reply mate there is still one thing I struggle to understand why does the whatmough have a 3 inch voice coil if it has a class a/b amp pushing only out 200w like wtf a 3inch voice coil is normal rated to handle an easy 600-1000w so why have whatmough done this it’s very odd and does cone material like celious fibre make any difference to distortion? Thanks for your help mate

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Thanks for the reply mate there is still one thing I struggle to understand why does the whatmough have a 3 inch voice coil if it has a class a/b amp pushing only out 200w like wtf a 3inch voice coil is normal rated to handle an easy 600-1000w so why have whatmough done this it’s very odd and does cone material like celious fibre make any difference to distortion? Thanks for your help mate

Without knowing anything about WM, I’d say that’s on a off the shelf driver that they use from an oem manufacturer. The bigger voice coil will help with thermal load since I have no doubt there’s a lot of EQ and boost below 35hz.
And, afaik, cellulose fiber is a fancy version of…paper. Lol

 

[Zerofox0070]

Thanks for the replay mate the driver whatmough use looks nearly exactly the same as the driver/woofer REL on the REL R205 sub but the term called “extreme throw” is very new to me I have heard of “long throw” or “high excursion” anyway one last question will the 36mm excursion of the 10 inch driver/woofer increase it’s output by any way many thanks mate.

 

[lovinthehd]

Rel wouldn't be something I'd look up to in any case. I'd choose dual Klipsch 112s over the Wahtmough easy peasy.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Thanks for the replay mate the driver whatmough use looks nearly exactly the same as the driver/woofer REL on the REL R205 sub but the term called “extreme throw” is very new to me I have heard of “long throw” or “high excursion” anyway one last question will the 36mm excursion of the 10 inch driver/woofer increase it’s output by any way many thanks mate.

Well without much more information it’s hard to say. Yes more excursion equals more output. But it also adds distortion and heat. A couple reasons I dislike sealed subs.

 

[CajunLB]

Wow. They sure are proud of their work. Is that American dollars ?

 

[Zerofox0070]

Wow. They sure are proud of their work. Is that American dollars ?

It’s Australian dollars lol they keep on saying that the 36mm excursion makes it produce more output than most 12 inch subs but without any spl measurements I would rather think that isn’t true

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

It’s Australian dollars lol they keep on saying that the 36mm excursion makes it produce more output than most 12 inch subs but without any spl measurements I would rather think that isn’t true

Exactly. IF that true, measurements would show us where exactly it has more output. Even still, the extra excursion would not be able to make up for the efficiency of a ported sub.
What else is available to you? I know the Aussie market is rough for subwoofers. Still, if those are the only ones available, again, I’d choose the Klipsch. Now if you have others to consider, that would change the game.

 

[CajunLB]

The SVS PB-1000 pro is 1295 at the same place. I think I would choose that over the other’s.

 

[Zerofox0070]

Exactly. IF that true, measurements would show us where exactly it has more output. Even still, the extra excursion would not be able to make up for the efficiency of a ported sub.
What else is available to you? I know the Aussie market is rough for subwoofers. Still, if those are the only ones available, again, I’d choose the Klipsch. Now if you have others to consider, that would change the game.

Other choices available to me would be the RSL speedwoofer 10s svs sb2000 REL r205 klipsch r112sw (i Already said) and whatmough synergy3s ( not as good as ported but may be tighter bass many thanks mate

 

[lovinthehd]

Curious what is the volume of the room the sub(s) go in? Do you have a particular goal for lowest response? Can you get the R-115SW? At the price you can get the R112SW, still hard to not go for two R112SWs vs one PB1000Pro and the R115SW might be another duals option? The "tight" bass doesn't necessarily come with ported or sealed, but rather the particular sub. I'm assuming you've consistently quoted prices in AUD.

 

[Zerofox0070]

I have only quoted the whatmough in AUD reason being you can only buy it in AUD so you have to convert the whatmoughs AUD into USD but dual r115sw’ s doesn’t seem like a bad idea BUT the output of dual r115sw would not be as much as the svs pb16 ultra however my room is not fairly large sooo having a sub with the same or similar output to pb16 ultra wouldn’t be nessecary as it will pressurise my room like an elephant stomping on the World Trade Center lol what I’m looking for is something with high output dual subs are probably nessicary to even out the output and response in my room so what would you recommend for a small to medium sized room?.

 

[lovinthehd]

What are your room's actual dimensions? Sealed room or ? Duals have the ability to smooth response, and a bit extra output, but room smoothing I think is the more important attribute....even in a small room. I wouldn't compare the R115SW with the PB16 in any case.

 

[Zerofox0070]

What are your room's actual dimensions? Sealed room or ? Duals have the ability to smooth response, and a bit extra output, but room smoothing I think is the more important attribute....even in a small room. I wouldn't compare the R115SW with the PB16 in any case.

My room dimensions are roughly 13ft deep and 11ft wide it’s a bedroom btw