a Democrat Texan wants more gun control...........

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I worked part time at a gun store after I retired. This was complementary to my interest in US Service Rifle Competition and assisting the USAMU deliver the Squad Designated Marksman Course, as well as Small Arms Firing School, that's to say, I was a highly credentialed AR-15 salesman. At any rate, the concern for all FFL holders is the straw purchaser, that's of course a person who can legally purchase a gun who illegally attempts to buy a gun for someone who cannot legally possess a firearm. It's just not possible to tag these purchasers, unless their behavior reveals deception.

I went to a gun shop (the last time for that one, after this incident) an someone wanted a gun in the worst way. At one point, he said "Do you take American Express?" and the sales guy said "I'd take a library card if I got money from it". Oddly enough, they led the state in guns used in crimes for years.

Straw sales, sure, but it's the person to person sales and shipments between states of lost/stolen/illegal guns that is another huge problem. If someone wants a gun but are disqualified from possession, it's a matter of knowing the right people, letting them know and having cash or, I assume, something of value that can be used as trade bait.

Stolen or lost firearms in the U.S. by type 2022 | Statista

In 2022, around 7,916 pistols were reported lost or stolen in the United States, the most out of any type of firearm.

www.statista.com

From the next link, "If someone wants a gun, it's obvious the person will not have difficulty buying a gun, either legally or through the extensive United States black market."

frontline: hot guns: "How Criminals Get Guns" | PBS

 

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I wouldn't know why , for large game that's a mere pop gun..Edit.. A big grizzly would be pickin you outta his teeth by the time you got enough rounds in him to slow him down....

But, but, but, great white hunter.........

Wouldn't be my choice in an area inhabited by large, hungry animals.

 

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that's exactly my point, straw purchases, plea bargaining BS and the list goes on .........

I'm referring to using them stupidly, murdering people and using them for robberies, carjackings, etc. Last number I saw showed an average of around 15K murders/year in the US. THAT'S what I see as the bigger problem. Straw sales are only a means to an end.

 

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Legal gun owners should be the biggest proponents of gun control laws.

I agree, but politicians pander to peoples' feelings and they like to piss out their territory. They also like to distort facts, for their own purposes but NONE of them are willing to tell people that they're doing a shytty job of raising their kids.

 

[Mikado463]

But, but, but, great white hunter.........

Wouldn't be my choice in an area inhabited by large, hungry animals.

which weapon are we talking about ?

 

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which weapon are we talking about ?

AR-14. Maybe if it was modded to do full auto, but probably not what I would want.

 

[Mikado463]

AR-14. Maybe if it was modded to do full auto, but probably not what I would want.

had to do a little research, apparently it was an Armalite product and there was a .308 offering ? if so, while I agree it wouldn't be my first choice either, but nobody's gonna call the .308 a 'cap gun' !

 

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had to do a little research, apparently it was an Armalite product and there was a .308 offering ? if so, while I agree it wouldn't be my first choice either, but nobody's gonna call the .308 a 'cap gun' !

No, but the typical caliber is basically .22 with a whole lot of powder behind it. People like to modify things and that's one of the major attractions.

 

[Mikado463]

No, but the typical caliber is basically .22 with a whole lot of powder behind it. People like to modify things and that's one of the major attractions.

again, conflicting info as to it even existing ??

Does the AR-14 gun even exist?

Answer (1 of 5): The AR-14 gun never made it off the drawing board or into production. it is a figment of politicians uneducated minds. They probably are referring to the name of an older M 14 Viet Nam and Korea era rifle that fired the .308 bullet. it was a large heavy weapon, so when we needed...

www.quora.com

 

[panteragstk]

AR-14. Maybe if it was modded to do full auto, but probably not what I would want.

AR-15?

 

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AR-15. Maybe if it was modded to do full auto, but probably not what I would want.

 

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AR-15?

I was sooo close.

I edited my other post. I just washed my hands and can't do a thing with them.

 

[Mikado463]

Ok, so AR15 then. With that being said, numerous chambering options offered besides the .223

 

[panteragstk]

Ok, so AR15 then. With that being said, numerous chambering options offered besides the .223

Have you seen the totally unnecessary, but equally awesome version that lets you change on the fly? Pretty sweet config if you want one gun, but multiple round options.

 

[Mikado463]

Have you seen the totally unnecessary, but equally awesome version that lets you change on the fly? Pretty sweet config if you want one gun, but multiple round options.

No, again not really much of an assault rifle kind of guy. As a long time varmint hunter with a collection of bolt action centerfires, my .243 Ackley, while not quite getting me into the 1000 yd club managed to take out a 14lb whistle pig @ 749 yds. A distance not many AR's will touch.

 

[panteragstk]

No, again not really much of an assault rifle kind of guy. As a long time varmint hunter with a collection of bolt action centerfires, my .243 Ackley, while not quite getting me into the 1000 yd club managed to take out a 14lb whistle pig @ 749 yds. A distance not many AR's will touch.

No. I just think the ability to easily change caliber is cool. I honestly don't know if I'd ever get an AR15 or any other assault type rifle. I just don't see the point. Guns are tools that kill things. Simple as that. The only thing I might ever use a semi-auto for would be hog hunting. Apparently they're difficult to hit. We have some on our hunting property and have only gotten one. Compared to how many deer we got this year, we should have gotten more than one hog.

I have a cheap .243 savage I got that's nice, but I can't shoot over 200 yards at my property so it does just fine for me.

 

[sterling shoote]

No, again not really much of an assault rifle kind of guy. As a long time varmint hunter with a collection of bolt action centerfires, my .243 Ackley, while not quite getting me into the 1000 yd club managed to take out a 14lb whistle pig @ 749 yds. A distance not many AR's will touch.

Sidebar: I have ZERO experience with a .243 Ackley; but, as an NRA Long Range Competitor, I have experience on the 1000 yard line with .308, 6.5/284, and .223. Shooting the AR-15 at 1000 yards with as issued iron sights is most difficult; yet, it reveals those on the firing line who know all there is to know about good shooting from those who don't. A perfect score requires all shots go inside the 20 inch 10 ring, which is doable but only when the shooter has mastered wind favors in addition to basic prone marksmanship. My average 1000 yard score is just 92% with an AR, while my average Long Range performance with an iron sight .308 is +97%. With some formal training such as the Squad Designated Marksman Course a Soldier can get up to speed within about a weeks time to get perfect scores on the E-type target at 600 meters using an M4 fitted with a 4 power ACOG with BDC reticle, shooting M855 or Mk 262 Long Range ammunition.

 

[Mikado463]

Sterling, the .243 Ackley , basically a .243 with the taper removed, shoulder bumped to 40 degrees thus yielding a 10% increase in powder capacity is one fine varmint cartridge. Clarence Hammonds, Red Lion, Pa smithed the gun for me. Rem 40x action, Shilen barrel, 14 twist, Timney trigger, MacMillian MBR stock, glass is a Nikon 8-32. My choice of the 14 twist was to maximize the effectiveness of a 70 gr Nosler Ballistic tip.

Living in Pa I'm well aware of the 1000 yd shoot, after all it is outside of Williamsport, Pa where the legends grew !

One of my local clubs has a 500 meter range and offers high power silhouette matches, plenty of .308's present there. Some of the Creedmore offerings are becoming quite popular

 

[sterling shoote]

Sterling, the .243 Ackley , basically a .243 with the taper removed, shoulder bumped to 40 degrees thus yielding a 10% increase in powder capacity is one fine varmint cartridge. Clarence Hammonds, Red Lion, Pa smithed the gun for me. Rem 40x action, Shilen barrel, 14 twist, Timney trigger, MacMillian MBR stock, glass is a Nikon 8-32. My choice of the 14 twist was to maximize the effectiveness of a 70 gr Nosler Ballistic tip.

Living in Pa I'm well aware of the 1000 yd shoot, after all it is outside of Williamsport, Pa where the legends grew !

One of my local clubs has a 500 meter range and offers high power silhouette matches, plenty of .308's present there. Some of the Creedmore offerings are becoming quite popular

Champion shooter G. David Tubbs has much experience with .243 in various chamberings for Mid and Long Range use. Seems the problem is barrel life, less than 6.5/284, which is only about 500 rounds. Back in 2003 I took my 6.5/284 to National Long Range Matches and started off pretty good with a 200 X 14 clean in Match 531 iron sight 600 Match. but later, shooting the 1000 yard Wimbledon Match I could not buy an X ring hit it seemed. Later when back on my home range I made the discovery that barrel life on the 6.5 was only about 500 rounds for the 1000 yard 10 inch X ring. Not, being rich enough to rebarrel every 500 rounds or getting to shoot for free like the ARMY shooters, I decided to change to US Service Rifle division where barrel life is about 2000 to 3000 rounds for mid and long range X ring performance. At any rate, my home range is Ft. Knox which became so difficult to access since 9-11 that shooters just stopped shooting there and matches thus ceased. I now do more coaching than shooting, the highlight of that has been coaching the USAMU Small Arms Firing School but covid even precluded that since Small Arms Firing School at Camp Perry along with the National Matches was cancelled last year. What do you suppose the barrel life of your .243 is for MOA at mid range?

 

[sterling shoote]

No. I just think the ability to easily change caliber is cool. I honestly don't know if I'd ever get an AR15 or any other assault type rifle. I just don't see the point. Guns are tools that kill things. Simple as that. The only thing I might ever use a semi-auto for would be hog hunting. Apparently they're difficult to hit. We have some on our hunting property and have only gotten one. Compared to how many deer we got this year, we should have gotten more than one hog.

I have a cheap .243 savage I got that's nice, but I can't shoot over 200 yards at my property so it does just fine for me.

There are a multitude of reasons for semi auto actions. The reason I own an AR is to enjoy US Service Rifle Competition. This sort of competition goes back to 1883 or thereabouts. The idea behind it is to have a Nation of Marksmen should the Country mobilize for war. This thinking is prudent since Marksmen are not produced overnight. At any rate, there used to be a banner inside the lobby of US Army Marksmanship Unit Headquarters which to paraphrase read something like this, " There has never been an enemy combatant stopped with a baseball bat, tennis racket, basketball, or football. Service Rifle Competition, the ONLY sport that matters". Thinking about it, that banner might have said it best.