For the love of god or whoever … VOTE!

[lp85253]

I was commenting on the shift in AZ, that's all. Yes, we can move anywhere and vote, as long as we register to vote. Many are leaving California because of the problems, but also because they can sell their house and buy something that's equivalent for a lot less money in almost any other part of the country and that works great, especially for people who can transfer within their company or work from home. I don't know why you need to infer something that wasn't implied.

If voter suppression is so wide spread, how did this election see more than 149 million people vote, compared with about 128 million in 2016?

it ain't much cheaper to buy housing in AZ.. we have a massive housing shortage ...

 

[highfigh]

It's not the number of votes suppressed, it's whose votes are suppressed.

If you can show me where that has occurred over the whole country, great- if it's as bad as you think in Milwaukee, which I use as my point of reference because I live in the area and because it has been called the most segregated city in America' for a long time, MKE wouldn't vote as strongly Democrat as it does. Milwaukee, Dane (home of Madison, the state's capital) and Brown Counties have the largest numbers of Democrats in the state and they drive most elections, with turnout swinging it one way or the other. When Democrats don't vote, especially in Milwaukee, the vote goes toward the Republicans (on average).

 

[highfigh]

it ain't much cheaper to buy housing in AZ.. we have a massive housing shortage ...

Yeah, now. Only a few years ago (not counting the housing bubble collapse), it was extremely affordable but it's still a lot less than in California.

 

[Irvrobinson]

it ain't much cheaper to buy housing in AZ.. we have a massive housing shortage ...

Not according to the math I’m looking at. You can buy a 3000 sqft home in Chandler for $600-800K. You can’t in San Diego, LA, OC, or the entire Bay Area.

 

[Trell]

If you can show me where that has occurred over the whole country, great- if it's as bad as you think in Milwaukee, which I use as my point of reference because I live in the area and because it has been called the most segregated city in America' for a long time, MKE wouldn't vote as strongly Democrat as it does. Milwaukee, Dane (home of Madison, the state's capital) and Brown Counties have the largest numbers of Democrats in the state and they drive most elections, with turnout swinging it one way or the other. When Democrats don't vote, especially in Milwaukee, the vote goes toward the Republicans (on average).

You're claiming that voter suppression is not the G.O.P. blood of that party? You could join the various fraudulent lawsuits and be laughed out of the court!

 

[highfigh]

i guess i didn't phrase my comment correctly .. i wasn't even referring to you as the issue of ignorance of how things work... i run into people all the time *that pick a news source*(how. i have no idea) and then let themselves learn civics through the eyes of partisan rhetoric... the 2000 election was an aberration , in that it came down to 500 or so votes in a large state that were hard to read for some, hanging chads, ect...the 2016 election was fairly "normal".. this one (2020) as well... the difference is hard core politics in our news sources.. also the advent of 24/7 news that needs controversy to get ratings that allow them to exist.. and the biggest difference is a leader that has zero interest in the country he swore allegiance to , but rather a marked self serving interest.. and his ability to use state tv (foxnews) as a springboard to recruit masses of people who have no interest in how things have worked for 240 years to keep them safe.. it's not going to change.. get used to it .. cable news is the monster that needs to feed and controversy(often where there is none) is the food ....

Well in that case, you're gonna love this-look at the part that was selected, in blue-

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1327094699094577153

 

[lp85253]

Assuming for a microsecond that you only want US citizens to vote, why is a photo ID such a problem for you when people who have been polled don't agree? We can't open a checking account, receive government benefits, drive, cash a check, join the military, go to college or high school, or do a lot of things without a photo ID and state ID cards that are issued by the DMV have been required for decades. Have you never watched a TV show since before the '50s, where a cop stops someone and asked "Do you have ID?"?

I don't know where you saw that I commented about large numbers of illegals voting, but I seriously doubt it's much of a problem. However, since no ID is required for mail-in ballots, it could become a problem but that wouldn't necessarily be confined to illegals.

it alienates low income voters..*many* voters(and i know this 1st hand) people of lower income don't have cars , hence no need for a drivers license..i don't advocate for illegal voting practices .. your assumption that their is a "need" for id without a car is not entirely true . i got by not only without an id , but without a wallet for about 2 decades of my adult life.. including holding down several jobs...i don't know what polls(perhaps foxnews) you refer to , but they weren't asking many low income voters ...btw .. and i *know*this as fact.. many states *do not* require people to carry id.. it's a myth perpetuated by law enforcement in some places to get compliance...

 

[GO-NAD!]

Assuming for a microsecond that you only want US citizens to vote, why is a photo ID such a problem for you when people who have been polled don't agree? We can't open a checking account, receive government benefits, drive, cash a check, join the military, go to college or high school, or do a lot of things without a photo ID and state ID cards that are issued by the DMV have been required for decades. Have you never watched a TV show since before the '50s, where a cop stops someone and asked "Do you have ID?"?

I don't know where you saw that I commented about large numbers of illegals voting, but I seriously doubt it's much of a problem. However, since no ID is required for mail-in ballots, it could become a problem but that wouldn't necessarily be confined to illegals.

A simple search brings up quick results indicating why/how obtaining photo ID can be onerous for some people.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html

 

[highfigh]

You're claiming that voter suppression is not the G.O.P. blood of that party? You could join the various fraudulent lawsuits and be laughed out of the court!

I don't know- I don't go to their meetings and receive their newsletters.

I'm a fan of doing things in a way that don't make it difficult for people to do something without blocking them just because of something that should never be seen as 'acceptable' but we have laws and rules covering this- the problem is that the ones writing the laws are doing this stuff and it's not easy to make them stop. For that matter, the last time the Wisconsin legislature was in session was over 200 days ago. This is another reason I want to leave the state- it's not working.

 

[Trell]

So, reading this thread, let me make an informal poll: As of today, is Biden the President-elect? Simple yes or no suffice.

 

[lp85253]

So, reading this thread, let me make an informal poll: As of today, is Biden the President-elect? Simple yes or no suffice.

not officially , but in practical terms , yes.. it will be official when the electoral college votes.. you don't need an opinion poll , b/c it's really not a matter of opinion...

 

[highfigh]

it alienates low income voters..*many* voters(and i know this 1st hand) people of lower income don't have cars , hence no need for a drivers license..i don't advocate for illegal voting practices .. your assumption that their is a "need" for id without a car is not entirely true . i got by not only without an id , but without a wallet for about 2 decades of my adult life.. including holding down several jobs...i don't know what polls(perhaps foxnews) you refer to , but they weren't asking many low income voters ...btw .. and i *know*this as fact.. many states *do not* require people to carry id.. it's a myth perpetuated by law enforcement in some places to get compliance...

I don't know where you are, but public transport and programs to get people to the polls have existed for a long time. They may not drive, but let them go to a store to buy beer or liquor and see how far they get with that. Or, receive SNAP/WIC benefits. Or Disability, open a utility account...where should I stop. Did you rent a place to live? Did they ask for ID? I sure as hell do when my duplex has a vacancy.

Myth? No, they ask when they're looking for someone. You can be as paranoid as you want, but at some point, you might need the police to be allowed to do their damn job.

From Wiki-

"Stop and identify" statutes are laws in several U.S. states that authorize police[1] to lawfully order people whom they reasonably suspect of a crime to state their name. If there is not reasonable suspicion that a crime has been committed, is being committed, or is about to be committed, an individual is not required to provide identification, even in these states "

Stop and identify statutes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Trell]

not officially , but in practical terms , yes.. it will be official when the electoral college votes.. you don't need an opinion poll , b/c it's really not a matter of opinion...

Yeah, but this is so unprecedented in so many ways to have a wannabe authoritarian (attempting a coup d'etat) with a compliant G.O.P.

 

[Trell]

not officially , but in practical terms , yes.. it will be official when the electoral college votes.. you don't need an opinion poll , b/c it's really not a matter of opinion...

How did that simple yes and no work out for you

 

[lp85253]

Yeah, but this is so unprecedented in so many ways to have a wannabe authoritarian (attempting a coup d'etat) with a compliant G.O.P.

there is certainly an attempted coup going on..

 

[highfigh]

So, reading this thread, let me make an informal poll: As of today, is Biden the President-elect? Simple yes or no suffice.

Yes, but it's not as easy as yes or no for everyone since so many people have an opinion about it (and think their opinion is more important than the existing procedures).

Because some of the ballots haven't been counted and some state totals were within the % that require a recount, he's the 'presumed President-elect'. It's not likely that the results will change, though. Usually, if the results are within 1%, they recount and in this election, a lot of states were closer.

 

[lp85253]

How did that simple yes and no work out for you

the timing..

 

[Trell]

Yes, but it's not as easy as yes or no for everyone since so many people have an opinion about it (and think their opinion is more important than the existing procedures).

Because some of the ballots haven't been counted and some state totals were within the % that require a recount, he's the 'presumed President-elect'. It's not likely that the results will change, though. Usually, if the results are within 1%, they recount and in this election, a lot of states were closer.

By now it really is quite simple to say yes or no, really it is!

 

[lp85253]

I don't know where you are, but public transport and programs to get people to the polls have existed for a long time. They may not drive, but let them go to a store to buy beer or liquor and see how far they get with that. Or, receive SNAP/WIC benefits. Or Disability, open a utility account...where should I stop. Did you rent a place to live? Did they ask for ID? I sure as hell do when my duplex has a vacancy.

Myth? No, they ask when they're looking for someone. You can be as paranoid as you want, but at some point, you might need the police to be allowed to do their damn job.

From Wiki-

"Stop and identify" statutes are laws in several U.S. states that authorize police[1] to lawfully order people whom they reasonably suspect of a crime to state their name. If there is not reasonable suspicion that a crime has been committed, is being committed, or is about to be committed, an individual is not required to provide identification, even in these states "

Stop and identify statutes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

stop and identify laws are limited to suspected criminals.. if the police can't identify a crime to charge a person with that person doesn't need to show id.. we are talking different issues here...i refer you to the link in post #528.. i get you've been "told" how things work by a news source.. that news source isn't giving you very detailed info.. but they seem to be working on a "common sense approach" to further their agenda... no disrespect intended...

 

[Trell]

there is certainly an attempted coup going on..

This is the statement from one scientist in a Swedish OpEd (I've linked to the research earlier).