Emotiva xpa-3 or Outlaw 5000x?

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DarthNooR

Enthusiast
Not at all. I was only talking about comparing specs and measurements of some of the Onkyo AVRs and Emo amps. Even that, I should take it back because I should not assume the XPA-300 would measure worse than the Onkyo. In terms of how they would sound, I do believe even at this level of gear, sound quality would be dictated by the recording quality of the source and the speakers in room performance.

Without any bench test data for the XPA-300, I would go with the Outlaw, though I still don't think they are that much more powerful than the Onkyo AVR on its own.

By the way, I just noticed you are now talking about the XPA-3, while in your first post it was the XPA-300, so which one are you really considering?
Yes, slight confusion here. The XPA-3 seemed interesting as a 3 channel amps. The BasX A-300 is cheaper but a 2 channel amp, which (if I recall) could have additional channels added.
In any case, based on various feedback, it seems that neither might be quite what I am looking for.
 
mazersteven

mazersteven

Audioholic Warlord
Un-related to this particular thread, but my new subwoofer should arrive today... Thanks for your suggestion last week, which put me on the (right?) research track.
Now get yourself those Outlaw 2220's and you'll be set
 
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Kleinst

Senior Audioholic
Yeah outlaws of any kind are pretty good. I also like the Monolith 7 (Have one). Frankly you get one of those and you can run anywhere from 3-7 channels and not have to worry about adding later.

I am curious to know how the Outlaw 2220's would compare to the ATI Outlaw/Monolith AMPS. Probably can't tell the difference.

But either way, I'm kind of feeling like go 200WPC or just use your AVR and either of these would give you that.
 
ryanosaur

ryanosaur

Audioholic Overlord
There's just something nice about giving each speaker it's own power supply...

:)
 
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Kleinst

Senior Audioholic
Yeah I wanted to collect some 2200's just to compare but haven't found the right deal and it's clearly something I don't need.... But surely you guys have never bought any audio gear that you have no "need" for right?
 
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Gmoney

Audioholic Ninja
Un-related to this particular thread, but my new subwoofer should arrive today... Thanks for your suggestion last week, which put me on the (right?) research track.
Another option to consider
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Parasound a23+
 
mazersteven

mazersteven

Audioholic Warlord
Un-related to this particular thread, but my new subwoofer should arrive today... Thanks for your suggestion last week, which put me on the (right?) research track.
Did your Sub arrive?
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
Another option to consider
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Parasound a23+
I was never been impressed with their low power Halo amps and this + version has not changed my mind. Imo, and I know I am not alone on this, subjective reviews of owners and professional reviewers should be read with a grain of salt, or to be more blunt, just for fun. The SoudStage review linked below is a good example, the reviewer was comparing it with NAD integrated amp when he blurb out those typical/laughable buzzword (highly recommended for a good laugh, so @lovinthehd , @AcuDefTechGuy please read if not yet and give me some feedback..:D:D. Back to the real world, if you examine the bench test results, you would, like me, conclude that there isn't much to write home about, even just by comparing the results in the key areas such as THD+N, IMD and power output to those of a lowly AVR-X3600H or even the SR6014.

Review (the subjective blablabla part)...:D

Measurements:

So for someone looking for an amp to work with a mid range AVR, I would recommend they bite the bullet and go with something more powerful, such as the A21+, MCA225, or Monolith 200WX2, Outlaw M2220. Why spend $1,500 to gain 1 dB or less over an AVR-X3600H, RX-A1080 or SR6014? Yes, the Parasound would likely used negative feedback more lightly, if one wants to justify the bench test results not being better thatn the AVRs mentioned. Keep in mind though, even to the not too technically informed audiophiles, they should know by now, like the often overrated TIM and DF, the exaggerated -ve effects of the so called excessive -ve feedback have been debunked by audio amp specialists such as Bruno Putzeys.

For people who are not looking for very high power separates though, I would consider the A23+ a viable choice based on specs, measurements and price, and for someone who likes the unusual Halo style, the look.
 
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AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Parasound A23+ = 275W x 2Ch @ 4 ohms

According to Parasound, the A23+ = 300W x 2Ch 4 ohms.

Yamaha RX-A3080 = 294W x 2Ch @ 4 ohms
Yamaha RX-A2080 = 260W x 2Ch @ 4 ohms
Denon X8500 = 256W x 2Ch @ 4 ohms
Marantz SR8015 = 251W x 2Ch @ 4 ohms

I think most people who own any of these AVRs don't need to buy an amp.

@Gmoney owns the RX-A1080 = 173W x 2Ch @ 4ohms, which I think has plenty of power. I guess adding an A23+ would "upgrade" the amp section to the RX-A3080.
 
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lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
@PENG in the link I only saw pretty straightforward language on the lab results page.....is there another page with their usual subjective stuff? I've read some of their subjective reviews in the past, tho....
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
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