as if COVID wasn't bad enough ............

[Danzilla31]

Atlanta officer fired after fatal shooting of black man

An Atlanta police officer was fired following the fatal shooting of a black man and another officer was placed on administrative duty, the police department announced early Sunday. The moves follows the Saturday resignation of Atlanta Police Chief Erika Shields, who stepped down as the Friday...

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One thing to note here

It's pretty clear from the vids and footage that not only did that dude resist arrest take the taser

But when officers gave pursuit he pointed it back at them what is failed to mention is that if he tases the officer he know has access to his gun

You fail your sobriety test creating a disturbance you resist arrest obviously the cops are trying to hold back or he wouldn't have broke free and taken a taser in the first place you point something at a cop you took from him that could escalate the situation into a deadly one I'm sorry your ass is getting shot

Id say let's look at the full investigation but they've already fired the officer and suspended another without really due process

It's pretty apparent that they are just trying to do anything to placate the mob

Who in spite of everything including the officer getting fired still burned down the Wendy's as if the store had anything to do with it

This is getting out of hand there is nothing you can do to make them satisfied at this point on psych floors going hands on is our last option but if they become destructive enough and danger themselves and others you gotta do it you have to set a limit

If they don't stop pussyfooting around and start cracking down on not the protesters but the rioters it's just going to encourage not just the ones using the BLM movement it's gonna just encourage it period to escalate from anyone

If you tie the cops hands too much then you are just going to have to bring in the military anyway which we all don't want especially with Trump behind the wheel

They need to draw a hard line or just like on the psych units you lose control. We respect our patients we don't even use psychical restraints we are a restraint free facility but the patients also know if they endanger themselves staff or other patients if they cross that line it's hands on there getting restrained chemical intervention in shots and placed into seclusion

I see similarities in this it's gone on long enough it's time they start to draw a line eventually the MOB and that's what it's becoming are going to force them to draw it anyway

 

[Danzilla31]

Anyway back to the theater I'm done throwing up steam for the vent 2nite Lol

 

[Gmoney]

May be I think it's more likely what I feared when we advocated for total lockdowns or May be it's both things what you said and what I've feared @Gmoney

Society will start to fragment

Working in psych you learn a lot about what drives people also what's there breaking point

I think the unfortunate incident with multiple people ending in George Floyd and all the ugliness it exposed only speed up the process actually unfortunately it tipped it over when things were just starting to hopefully get better

Think people are starting to break

If it continues or burns its course until it hopefully does we all need to be enough careful out there

I saw a lot of things when I went out shopping today when I stopped for gas numerous people just hitting me up for money for food stuff I unfortunately can't afford to give to everyone

Just like on one of my psych units before things can go ugly I got that same feeling

That vibe that you need to be careful and watch your six

Need to be careful fellas it was a weird feeling being out today just be careful out there

Your Insight into the Psych-side because of your Profession seems to serve you well. I find myself Guarded just about ever time I walk into a Place of business or even just driving around. People behind me in their Vehicles at red lights crossing railroad tracks they seem Frustrated its like you don't matter its like they own the road you have to get out there way. Not going fast enough or you slowing down to go over railroad tracks you can see them waving in frustration and their mouths Muttering I'm sure isn't love for the Fellow man. I was parked in the city park just yesterday, I made eye contact with a Young African-American male, Nodded my head to him like how are you doing. The young man look back at me like I just cussed he out or something He had that look of disgust on his face. Me being a older white male in my 60's guess I look like to some other Racist, the Standard stereotyping white dude. I can not tell you how many times just Recently walking into stores getting cut off by other shoppers and I'm expecting to say excuse me when in fact they cut you off just to see if they can do it. So now I'm not as Polite as I used to be I have already started telling people to go F..k them self's for being Rude cutting me off instead of saying oh I'm sorry excuse me. They seem to get off on trying to get people with that way of getting a Person to apologize. Guess it makes them feel superior. I will jack somebody up in a heartbeat now. Wearing Hip boots because of all the BS going on isn't my Style. Kissing ass just to let the Masses walk all over Anyone isn't my Style to begin with. I use to be polite just for the hell of it just to avoid confrontation. The Psyche of people can be overrated at times but with You Having to deal with degenerates that are under the influence of whatever Poison they chose to use surely takes it to a whole different level of BS. No matter how Anyone looks at the mess going on now Human nature is to do Evil first. Everyone wants to be God like, the power of selfishness comes from ones use of a Prideful will. I haven't worked so I'll just take this TV cause a Member of my race was murdered. My job comes first so I'll just cut this dude off so I can get to the red light first. My money in my bank is more than your check that comes from the government you gotta get out of my way so I can get in line first. I wait on you if you say Please and thank you and you kiss my black or white ass first. I'll Flash my shiny new Mercedes in front of your old 15 your car and I have my head up high as I look down on you as I pass you by getting to that stop sign First. My my thing about all this Mayham every Person alive today in a 150 years or so will All Be Dead. Not a one will be first in line when their time comes To take their last breath of life.

 

[Ponzio]

The truth is motherefer for sure.

 

[Danzilla31]

Your Insight into the Psych-side because of your Profession seems to serve you well. I find myself Guarded just about ever time I walk into a Place of business or even just driving around. People behind me in their Vehicles at red lights crossing railroad tracks they seem Frustrated its like you don't matter its like they own the road you have to get out there way. Not going fast enough or you slowing down to go over railroad tracks you can see them waving in frustration and their mouths Muttering I'm sure isn't love for the Fellow man. I was parked in the city park just yesterday, I made eye contact with a Young African-American male, Nodded my head to him like how are you doing. The young man look back at me like I just cussed he out or something He had that look of disgust on his face. Me being a older white male in my 60's guess I look like to some other Racist, the Standard stereotyping white dude. I can not tell you how many times just Recently walking into stores getting cut off by other shoppers and I'm expecting to say excuse me when in fact they cut you off just to see if they can do it. So now I'm not as Polite as I used to be I have already started telling people to go F..k them self's for being Rude cutting me off instead of saying oh I'm sorry excuse me. They seem to get off on trying to get people with that way of getting a Person to apologize. Guess it makes them feel superior. I will jack somebody up in a heartbeat now. Wearing Hip boots because of all the BS going on isn't my Style. Kissing ass just to let the Masses walk all over Anyone isn't my Style to begin with. I use to be polite just for the hell of it just to avoid confrontation. The Psyche of people can be overrated at times but with You Having to deal with degenerates that are under the influence of whatever Poison they chose to use surely takes it to a whole different level of BS. No matter how Anyone looks at the mess going on now Human nature is to do Evil first. Everyone wants to be God like, the power of selfishness comes from ones use of a Prideful will. I haven't worked so I'll just take this TV cause a Member of my race was murdered. My job comes first so I'll just cut this dude off so I can get to the red light first. My money in my bank is more than your check that comes from the government you gotta get out of my way so I can get in line first. I wait on you if you say Please and thank you and you kiss my black or white ass first. I'll Flash my shiny new Mercedes in front of your old 15 your car and I have my head up high as I look down on you as I pass you by getting to that stop sign First. My my thing about all this Mayham every Person alive today in a 150 years or so will All Be Dead. Not a one will be first in line when their time comes To take their last breath of life.

Watch your 6 but don't let it drag you down bro and do some stuff that's good for you I planning on turning the phone off today be out in nature just disconnect with the world and be in some good books movies and outside time be mindful but keep yourself healthy too my friend

 

[Gmoney]

Watch your 6 but don't let it drag you down bro and do some stuff that's good for you I planning on turning the phone off today be out in nature just disconnect with the world and be in some good books movies and outside time be mindful but keep yourself healthy too my friend

It will take a lot more than the Ignorance of the masses to drag this ole stomper down. I been Fighting the world since the day I was born. My mine set is stronger than when I was a younger man. My body isn't. My Constitution is strong my self -will isn't as a young man still full of Piss and vinegar.
It has been replaced, by one who knows me better than I know myself. My Insight to someones kindness isn't replacement by lack of Judgment but a insight greater than mine. True kindness comes from Love and that my friend is the Greatest kindness of all. Watching my back isn't at the top of my list never was but watching out for stupid is at the top of my list. It comes in many Forms, a kind Smile can be a Wolf thats from a 80 year old person. Or you walk in a door way and you see Chaos Grouped together as for guys playing a card game ready to clean you out. Or a Dead possum in someone's yard
is a sign that person who lives there is Not to be Trusted

 

[Mikado463]

Atlanta officer fired after fatal shooting of black man

An Atlanta police officer was fired following the fatal shooting of a black man and another officer was placed on administrative duty, the police department announced early Sunday. The moves follows the Saturday resignation of Atlanta Police Chief Erika Shields, who stepped down as the Friday...

currently.att.yahoo.com

One thing to note here

It's pretty clear from the vids and footage that not only did that dude resist arrest take the taser

But when officers gave pursuit he pointed it back at them what is failed to mention is that if he tases the officer he know has access to his gun

You fail your sobriety test creating a disturbance you resist arrest obviously the cops are trying to hold back or he wouldn't have broke free and taken a taser in the first place you point something at a cop you took from him that could escalate the situation into a deadly one I'm sorry your ass is getting shot

Id say let's look at the full investigation but they've already fired the officer and suspended another without really due process

It's pretty apparent that they are just trying to do anything to placate the mob

Who in spite of everything including the officer getting fired still burned down the Wendy's as if the store had anything to do with it

This is getting out of hand there is nothing you can do to make them satisfied at this point on psych floors going hands on is our last option but if they become destructive enough and danger themselves and others you gotta do it you have to set a limit

If they don't stop pussyfooting around and start cracking down on not the protesters but the rioters it's just going to encourage not just the ones using the BLM movement it's gonna just encourage it period to escalate from anyone

If you tie the cops hands too much then you are just going to have to bring in the military anyway which we all don't want especially with Trump behind the wheel

They need to draw a hard line or just like on the psych units you lose control. We respect our patients we don't even use psychical restraints we are a restraint free facility but the patients also know if they endanger themselves staff or other patients if they cross that line it's hands on there getting restrained chemical intervention in shots and placed into seclusion

I see similarities in this it's gone on long enough it's time they start to draw a line eventually the MOB and that's what it's becoming are going to force them to draw it anyway

agreed , this bullshit mentality is starting to cross over.

 

[highfigh]

If you tie the cops hands too much then you are just going to have to bring in the military anyway which we all don't want especially with Trump behind the wheel

The first step if a department is overwhelmed is to call nearby departments for 'mutual aid'. If ALL departments are overwhelmed, it's time for curfews. If that doesn't work, then call the National Guard, but only by Governor requests.

We don't want the military to be used for civilian law enforcement, regardless of who's in office. Remember when Obama was POTUS? People thought he would try to hold onto the office and that some Democrats would try to repeal the 22nd Amendment, which people have attempted to repeal since the '80s.

 

[Trell]

The first step if a department is overwhelmed is to call nearby departments for 'mutual aid'. If ALL departments are overwhelmed, it's time for curfews. If that doesn't work, then call the National Guard, but only by Governor requests.

We don't want the military to be used for civilian law enforcement, regardless of who's in office. Remember when Obama was POTUS? People thought he would try to hold onto the office and that some Democrats would try to repeal the 22nd Amendment, which people have attempted to repeal since the '80s.

We don't, but you don't mind using military force against peaceful protesters with political opinions different that yours.

 

[lovinthehd]

Remember when Obama was POTUS? People thought he would try to hold onto the office and that some Democrats would try to repeal the 22nd Amendment, which people have attempted to repeal since the '80s.

This is the only time I've ever seen that as a concern. That was a common thought among right wing conspiracy nuts?

 

[KEW]

Atlanta officer fired after fatal shooting of black man

An Atlanta police officer was fired following the fatal shooting of a black man and another officer was placed on administrative duty, the police department announced early Sunday. The moves follows the Saturday resignation of Atlanta Police Chief Erika Shields, who stepped down as the Friday...

currently.att.yahoo.com

One thing to note here

It's pretty clear from the vids and footage that not only did that dude resist arrest take the taser

But when officers gave pursuit he pointed it back at them what is failed to mention is that if he tases the officer he know has access to his gun

You fail your sobriety test creating a disturbance you resist arrest obviously the cops are trying to hold back or he wouldn't have broke free and taken a taser in the first place you point something at a cop you took from him that could escalate the situation into a deadly one I'm sorry your ass is getting shot

Id say let's look at the full investigation but they've already fired the officer and suspended another without really due process

It's pretty apparent that they are just trying to do anything to placate the mob

Who in spite of everything including the officer getting fired still burned down the Wendy's as if the store had anything to do with it

This is getting out of hand there is nothing you can do to make them satisfied at this point on psych floors going hands on is our last option but if they become destructive enough and danger themselves and others you gotta do it you have to set a limit

If they don't stop pussyfooting around and start cracking down on not the protesters but the rioters it's just going to encourage not just the ones using the BLM movement it's gonna just encourage it period to escalate from anyone

If you tie the cops hands too much then you are just going to have to bring in the military anyway which we all don't want especially with Trump behind the wheel

They need to draw a hard line or just like on the psych units you lose control. We respect our patients we don't even use psychical restraints we are a restraint free facility but the patients also know if they endanger themselves staff or other patients if they cross that line it's hands on there getting restrained chemical intervention in shots and placed into seclusion

I see similarities in this it's gone on long enough it's time they start to draw a line eventually the MOB and that's what it's becoming are going to force them to draw it anyway

I agree that this one was a (at least that we know) pretty legit shooting. Police are trained to consider anyone that pulls a taser on them equivalent to pulling a gun (because, as you mentioned, they will have access to the tased officer's gun ... although, given there was another cop right there, probably not, but he reacted as trained). I agree that firing the guy without due process seems like a knee-jerk! would like to know how they went from a call about a guy passed out in the car to a footchase with weapons. Makes me wonder if this is one of those cases where someone other than the police (like you, Dan) could have just started a conversation and offer to move his car (I presume he was too drunk/stoned/? to drive) so he could sleep it off. I have no idea, but Wendy's just started doing breakfast here - the guy probably wanted to park in the shade (I understand he was parked in the drive thru) he may have believed it would be 10 or 11 before he was in the way, but breakfast meant he needed to be gone by 7(?). But anyway you look at it, the cops are exhausted right now, they have been working lots of overtime and lots of it in the Atlanta heat wearing all of the riot gear which adds a lot of weight as well as being hot as hell! I do think that cops actions were reasonable given the training and exhaustion. On the other hand, it is a shame that we don't have sophisticated robots doing this job (or very enlightened people) because I always suspect that getting your taser taken from you is embarrassing and enough to piss a body off, and the physical involvement of chasing after someone, do a nice job of psyching most people up to shoot someone. I would fault the officer for losing his taser, but I think shooting the guy was not evidence of hatred, or a cop who is quick to kill a black man because of their skin color!
But the main reason I replied was to point out that the police chief resigned over this one! I would interpret that to mean she just wasn't on-board with what the mayor was asking of her (probably from this specific incident). Atlanta has a long history of peaceful protests (compared to many cities), and some assholes protesting the Floyd incident pushed thing to looting/violence. But this is Atlanta - we should have no problem finding a black man or woman who has a good head on their shoulders and understands how we got here and is happy to be part of the solution!

As far as things falling apart, I assume you know of the citizens showing up with arms to guard against looting/violence - basically they are enforcing peaceful protests? To me that is a reassuring trend (especially since police are so wary of being a target). That is part of the problem is sending the people being protested against to supervise the protest. If Joe Citizen does the duty, it relaxes things so much! At the same time, I don't think any type of "mob" type event should allow guns as the emotional can get extreme too quick ... but so far, in this case, it seems like a good thing.

 

[Mikado463]

Is not the Mayor of Atlanta a candidate for Joe Biden's running mate ?

 

[Gmoney]

Just remember Dan, grok baby, grok.

Keyboard CowBoY

 

[lovinthehd]

I agree that this one was a (at least that we know) pretty legit shooting. Police are trained to consider anyone that pulls a taser on them equivalent to pulling a gun (because, as you mentioned, they will have access to the tased officer's gun ... although, given there was another cop right there, probably not, but he reacted as trained). I agree that firing the guy without due process seems like a knee-jerk! would like to know how they went from a call about a guy passed out in the car to a footchase with weapons. Makes me wonder if this is one of those cases where someone other than the police (like you, Dan) could have just started a conversation and offer to move his car (I presume he was too drunk/stoned/? to drive) so he could sleep it off. I have no idea, but Wendy's just started doing breakfast here - the guy probably wanted to park in the shade (I understand he was parked in the drive thru) he may have believed it would be 10 or 11 before he was in the way, but breakfast meant he needed to be gone by 7(?). But anyway you look at it, the cops are exhausted right now, they have been working lots of overtime and lots of it in the Atlanta heat wearing all of the riot gear which adds a lot of weight as well as being hot as hell! I do think that cops actions were reasonable given the training and exhaustion. On the other hand, it is a shame that we don't have sophisticated robots doing this job (or very enlightened people) because I always suspect that getting your taser taken from you is embarrassing and enough to piss a body off, and the physical involvement of chasing after someone, do a nice job of psyching most people up to shoot someone. I would fault the officer for losing his taser, but I think shooting the guy was not evidence of hatred, or a cop who is quick to kill a black man because of their skin color!
But the main reason I replied was to point out that the police chief resigned over this one! I would interpret that to mean she just wasn't on-board with what the mayor was asking of her (probably from this specific incident). Atlanta has a long history of peaceful protests (compared to many cities), and some assholes protesting the Floyd incident pushed thing to looting/violence. But this is Atlanta - we should have no problem finding a black man or woman who has a good head on their shoulders and understands how we got here and is happy to be part of the solution!

As far as things falling apart, I assume you know of the citizens showing up with arms to guard against looting/violence - basically they are enforcing peaceful protests? To me that is a reassuring trend (especially since police are so wary of being a target). That is part of the problem is sending the people being protested against to supervise the protest. If Joe Citizen does the duty, it relaxes things so much! At the same time, I don't think any type of "mob" type event should allow guns as the emotional can get extreme too quick ... but so far, in this case, it seems like a good thing.

I still don't understand the thought process about shooting him myself, tired or no. I know it's traditional for police to be walking gear depositories on their belts, but in talking to a retired cop friend of mine last night he thought the firing of the officer was justified.

Overall, I've pretty much the same thoughts as Trevor Noah in this

 

[Danzilla31]

I still don't understand the thought process about shooting him myself, tired or no. I know it's traditional for police to be walking gear depositories on their belts, but in talking to a retired cop friend of mine last night he thought the firing of the officer was justified.

Overall, I've pretty much the same thoughts as Trevor Noah in this

Okay I just can't agree with this

You drive drunk you go to jail even with my so called white privilege I'm passed out at a Wendy's drive through drunk in my car I guarantee you I'm not getting a ride home my ass is going to jail

The reason they crack down on it is that they use to give guys breaks like that then 2 months later the dude plows into and kills some family That happened enough that that's why it is the way it is now your driving drunk your going to jail

So then the dude if he cooperates gets a DWI if it's a first offense poop he s out in no time end of story

Stop f@$! Ing resisting arrest I don't care what your skin color is all lives matter but stop resisting arrest.

This isn't some routine stop where the cops harrased him into acting out they were doing there job and following the law which is you drive drunk you go to jail. At least that's how it is here in Texas.

So then you resist arrest fight with the cops pull a taser from them and flee the scene which once again white privilege or not my white ass flees the scene after fighting the cops my white ass is getting pursued and if I point something back at the cops specifically a taser which could potentially immobilize the cop and allow me to access his weapon yeah my white ass is getting shot. Promise you.

On this one I can't fault the police don't be driving your drunk ass around passing out in front of a Wendy's then resist arrest then expect poop to go your way. Take some personal responsibility. Accept your consequences cooperate it's not like they were being dicks to him then in this particular situation none of this becomes an issue

I'm sorry I normally like that dudes show but I'm just not getting on board with that one

If they let him walk home whose to say he doesn't turn around and just be driving drunk again the next day? Or if he's inebriated enough that he can walk home safely he gets into an accident walking home then the cops are dicks for allowing it.

Like I said right now the cops can't win either way neither could the poor Wendy's when the jackasses burned it to the ground more people out of work lives affected because people just want to run with this right now no personal accountability at all. Can't get on board with this one.

That's just me personally

 

[Danzilla31]

Okay I just can't agree with this

You drive drunk you go to jail even with my so called white privilege I'm passed out at a Wendy's drive through drunk in my car I guarantee you I'm not getting a ride home my ass is going to jail

The reason they crack down on it is that they use to give guys breaks like that then 2 months later the dude plows into and kills some family That happened enough that that's why it is the way it is now your driving drunk your going to jail

So then the dude if he cooperates gets a DWI if it's a first offense poop he s out in no time end of story

Stop f@$! Ing resisting arrest I don't care what your skin color is all lives matter but stop resisting arrest.

This isn't some routine stop where the cops harrased him into acting out they were doing there job and following the law which is you drive drunk you go to jail. At least that's how it is here in Texas.

So then you resist arrest fight with the cops pull a taser from them and flee the scene which once again white privilege or not my white ass flees the scene after fighting the cops my white ass is getting pursued and if I point something back at the cops specifically a taser which could potentially immobilize the cop and allow me to access his weapon yeah my white ass is getting shot. Promise you.

On this one I can't fault the police don't be driving your drunk ass around passing out in front of a Wendy's then resist arrest then expect poop to go your way. Take some personal responsibility. Accept your consequences cooperate it's not like they were being dicks to him then in this particular situation none of this becomes an issue

I'm sorry I normally like that dudes show but I'm just not getting on board with that one

If they let him walk home whose to say he doesn't turn around and just be driving drunk again the next day? Or if he's inebriated enough that he can walk home safely he gets into an accident walking home then the cops are dicks for allowing it.

Like I said right now the cops can't win either way neither could the poor Wendy's when the jackasses burned it to the ground more people out of work lives affected because people just want to run with this right now no personal accountability at all. Can't get on board with this one.

That's just me personally

My last issue with this is if they decide that cop is out of line cool if he's given due process. But the mayor or someone pretty much fired that cop on the spot. No due process no investigation that's just bulls@$!

My white ass pulls the same stunt I promise I'm not on the news nobody is marching for me no protests in the street cops gets his due process and I have white privilege as it is called I promise you that's how its going down right now

George Floyd Is one thing but these guys are just making any demands acting any way they want and everybody is just kissing there a@$ no matter what there behaviour is

No personal accountability

And I promise you send a social worker or someone out there try to talk him into walking home if he refuses which odds are he will whatr you going to do then? Or if he becomes aggressive attacks that individual whatr you going to do then

Man they really need to think about how to put things in place for if they really want to define or limit the police's role

I think the are going at it from the scene of well they'll just cooperate it'll be all right

Trust me we get psych admits all the time drunk on drugs it's not going to always go down the way you think it is

Just can't get on board with this one

 

[lovinthehd]

Okay I just can't agree with this

You drive drunk you go to jail even with my so called white privilege I'm passed out at a Wendy's drive through drunk in my car I guarantee you I'm not getting a ride home my ass is going to jail

The reason they crack down on it is that they use to give guys breaks like that then 2 months later the dude plows into and kills some family That happened enough that that's why it is the way it is now your driving drunk your going to jail

So then the dude if he cooperates gets a DWI if it's a first offense poop he s out in no time end of story

Stop f@$! Ing resisting arrest I don't care what your skin color is all lives matter but stop resisting arrest.

This isn't some routine stop where the cops harrased him into acting out they were doing there job and following the law which is you drive drunk you go to jail. At least that's how it is here in Texas.

So then you resist arrest fight with the cops pull a taser from them and flee the scene which once again white privilege or not my white ass flees the scene after fighting the cops my white ass is getting pursued and if I point something back at the cops specifically a taser which could potentially immobilize the cop and allow me to access his weapon yeah my white ass is getting shot. Promise you.

On this one I can't fault the police don't be driving your drunk ass around passing out in front of a Wendy's then resist arrest then expect poop to go your way. Take some personal responsibility. Accept your consequences cooperate it's not like they were being dicks to him then in this particular situation none of this becomes an issue

I'm sorry I normally like that dudes show but I'm just not getting on board with that one

If they let him walk home whose to say he doesn't turn around and just be driving drunk again the next day? Or if he's inebriated enough that he can walk home safely he gets into an accident walking home then the cops are dicks for allowing it.

Like I said right now the cops can't win either way neither could the poor Wendy's when the jackasses burned it to the ground more people out of work lives affected because people just want to run with this right now no personal accountability at all. Can't get on board with this one.

That's just me personally

I can see your point, but seems to me the better way to handle this was to not shoot him....they know who he is, he's not going far....they have his car. I think like Trevor, in this case the right move might have been to simply take him home. Especially with what's going on currently. They did catch him sleeping in the car so possibly a dui type charge applies if the keys were in the ignition (think that's all it takes in some states). He did do several stupid things, but was it truly worthy of shooting him in the back rather than issuing a warrant and impounding his car? It is a shame he resisted, but he wasn't exactly in his right mind at the time either. Why are armed police handling something like this, too? (that's more a rhetorical question, I know that this is typical of most police in the US) Better yet, if someone from Wendy's had simply gone out and woke him up and offered him some coffee or something simple. More perfect storm fodder in any case, not a surprise the mob took it out on the Wendy's.....

 

[Danzilla31]

I can see your point, but seems to me the better way to handle this was to not shoot him....they know who he is, he's not going far....they have his car. I think like Trevor, in this case the right move might have been to simply take him home. Especially with what's going on currently. They did catch him sleeping in the car so possibly a dui type charge applies if the keys were in the ignition (think that's all it takes in some states). He did do several stupid things, but was it truly worthy of shooting him in the back rather than issuing a warrant and impounding his car? It is a shame he resisted, but he wasn't exactly in his right mind at the time either. Why are armed police handling something like this, too? (that's more a rhetorical question, I know that this is typical of most police in the US) Better yet, if someone from Wendy's had simply gone out and woke him up and offered him some coffee or something simple. More perfect storm fodder in any case, not a surprise the mob took it out on the Wendy's.....

I see your point too and I do think the cops probably would have let it go except for the fact he turns and tries to tase them

Once you do that all bets are off they are going to react on instinct especially since he had the ability at that point to potentially disarm them

And no it still doesn't give them the right to burn down the Wendy's at all. That exscuse is just a dog that will not hunt anymore. I'm really getting tired of hearing that. There is no exscuse for that

Not to mention the fact that the mobs and protests are just super spreaders for COVID which ironically affects black men more proportionally and severely then other races

Not to mention most of the businesses they burn down are in there own community which just weakens there infrastructure talk about cutting off your own nose to spite your own face

Plus how are the people in the Wendy's supposed to know what's wrong with him. He could have been on anything is it even safe to wake him? It's not exactly stable out there so they deserve to get there store burnt for that? Bulls@$!

Especially with a lot of unemployed running around just using there benefits to drink and drug on top of not wearing masks and causing all sorts of problems with COVID?

I'm really growing tired of the protesters even though I support there cause they are starting to do way more damage then good

Sooner or later someone is just going to stop having to act like a bunch of pu@$!ies
And just say look well support you and even allow your protests but hey if you cross this line stuff is going to get shut down HARD

They are just starting to get way with anything right now

Also as far as someone else dealing with him you ever dealt with someone really really drunk or on drugs or both

I do it at work all the time and it's no walk in the park it's not easy to do

It's not that I don't feel compassion for everyone especially with the situation with COVID

But Damn stop running around acting just flat out retarded driving around so drunk you pass out in front of a Wendy's really? you realize being that drunk he could easily have killed some one driving like that right? Where would be those victims protest I wonder? Then playing the victem card when stuff doesn't go your way.

Seriously it's just getting ridiculous act anyway you want regardless of how it impacts others and then throw out the racist card is what this is starting to devolve into

Dude I'm in psychiatric care I want to save everybody lol but Damn you gotta have some limits I just can't let them run around the unit and do whatever they want

 

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@lovinthehd and @Danzilla31 you both are correct. That one was weird. Dude went from cooperative to resisting which is confusing, but the end result being yet another dead black man is the real issue. A tazer isn't a deadly weapon so shooting the dude in the back seems off regardless of protocol.

I feel like this is the root of the issue in a way. Why is deadly force used so often? They could have taxes, peppered, clubbed the dude into submission before resorting to shooting him.

That's what I've discussed with father in law at length. Why is it that deadly force is used when it seems that alternatives aren't even considered? He said his training tells him to shoot, but his human side tells him different. These poor cops are literally "doing their job" which is horrifying to the rest of us.

The issue is culture and training or lack there of.

Like I said in an earlier post I want to get his take on things being on the inside, but that's how I see things.

 

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I see your point too and I do think the cops probably would have let it go except for the fact he turns and tries to tase them

Once you do that all bets are off they are going to react on instinct especially since he had the ability at that point to potentially disarm them

And no it still doesn't give them the right to burn down the Wendy's at all. That exscuse is just a dog that will not hunt anymore. I'm really getting tired of hearing that. There is no exscuse for that

Not to mention the fact that the mobs and protests are just super spreaders for COVID which ironically affects black men more proportionally and severely then other races

Not to mention most of the businesses they burn down are in there own community which just weakens there infrastructure talk about cutting off your own nose to spite your own face

Plus how are the people in the Wendy's supposed to know what's wrong with him. He could have been on anything is it even safe to wake him? It's not exactly stable out there so they deserve to get there store burnt for that? Bulls@$!

Especially with a lot of unemployed running around just using there benefits to drink and drug on top of not wearing masks and causing all sorts of problems with COVID?

I'm really growing tired of the protesters even though I support there cause they are starting to do way more damage then good

Sooner or later someone is just going to stop having to act like a bunch of pu@$!ies
And just say look well support you and even allow your protests but hey if you cross this line stuff is going to get shut down HARD

They are just starting to get way with anything right now

Also as far as someone else dealing with him you ever dealt with someone really really drunk or on drugs or both

I do it at work all the time and it's no walk in the park it's not easy to do

It's not that I don't feel compassion for everyone especially with the situation with COVID

But Damn stop running around acting just flat out retarded driving around so drunk you pass out in front of a Wendy's really? you realize being that drunk he could easily have killed some one driving like that right? Where would be those victims protest I wonder? Then playing the victem card when stuff doesn't go your way.

Seriously it's just getting ridiculous act anyway you want regardless of how it impacts others and then throw out the racist card is what this is starting to devolve into

Dude I'm in psychiatric care I want to save everybody lol but Damn you gotta have some limits I just can't let them run around the unit and do whatever they want

It went south when they were going to handcuff him, my thought was an offer to drive him home instead before that point....it does get very weird very quickly after that.

Of course there was no right in the burning of the Wendys but mobs are mobs...

Seems not all the burning out there is by blacks either....in Minneapolis that creepy white guy smashing windows that sort of got things going seems not to be the only instance either. People are taking advantage of the situation and its not just the protesters in all cases. I've heard a few people talk about what they did during the 92 riots and how sorry they were for what they did to their own neighborhoods, too. When rage takes over and you're pushed in a corner, things go south. Even our fucktard president dispelled a peaceful protest with force so he could take a stupid picture....great example he sets in so many ways. Is it time to throw gasoline on the fire with force?

LOL many times on dealing with the stoned/drunk. Never had to shoot anyone, tho. It can be hard, sure.

I wasn't there but a guy sleeping in a car I'd try and wake him up and see what's up first.

Not excusing him being behind the wheel to begin with at all. Maybe if he had plowed into a protest they would have beat him to death.

Well being white you probably cannot appreciate what its like in his shoes either...the racist card has been pulled for about 400 years now.