It's getting to the point were leaky buckets or not were going to have to fight it with whatever we've got because it's here and it looks unfortunately like this virus is going to be around for awhile
We need to start figuring out a long term strategy I just don't see any although with more testing and time to see how the curve is going that should be more possible
Lovin really hit the nail on the head this country is so divided right now it will be impossible to leave politics out of it which is going to unfortunately make problem solving that much harder
People forget how Trump got in in the first place shrinking middle class universities ridiculously expensive big business pharma politicians with there hands hopelessly stuck up these companies pockets for profit we could go on and on and on
But many people have grown increasingly distrustful apathetic and downright angry to the point they were going to shake up the system to hell with the consequences.
Trump for everything we might criticize him for picked up on that and ran with it all the way to the White House
What were not factoring in here is these same angry people that wanted to shake up the system how well will they react or even cooperate with these steps we are taking especially if unemployment recession hell possibly economic depression hits hard and people get desperate
And how well will the democrats react as they have become increasingly more volatile themselves towards this administration as things possibly take a turn for the worse?
If you read the comments on the articles lately in the news the amount of vitriol and hate between the two parties between people on both sides of there ideologies is shocking it's going to be very difficult for people to work together
Personally once it broke put of China due to these reasons and the administration's and the PUBLICS reactions lead me to believe we are probably going to be f@$!ed We are not going to be able to work together to contain this thing
Which lead to my steam venting awhile back in the first place. What's the point of all these measures if no one will work together to follow them
I get there necessity scientifically but this country is so so divided right now I don't believe and so far it's playing out exactly the way I feared that containment to slow the curve is possible not with this country being divided the way it is now
If that's the case we are heading towards a triage situation and I know no one especially our doctors and health care providers want to hear this but if that's the case then a lot of tough decisions are going to be made and will need to be made both for our suffering from this virus and for the economy and the future.
We're going to have to make sacrifices and no one wants to hear that but we better prepare for the worst and hope for the best
We're not there YET but it's close to that right now and this forum has actually convinced me of its highly probable outcome
Hell we can't even get along in here lately we can't even stay on the topic people insulting each other back and forth a lot of that like lovin said political based I've learned and researched and expressed and vented but most importantly sat back and listened and I just I'm probably not going to do much more interacting because my mind is made up
We're f@$!#d fellas on containment in my opinion And we better be ready for some hard choices to get through this
But for what it's worth I really hope the scientists and health care professionals guys and some of our very knowledgeable medical and scientific members here can prove me wrong I really want you to I hope you guys can
I'm hoping for that miracle but I'm out after this post because I'm going to start preparing for the worst.
I care about each and everyone of you in my own way no matter your politics or position. Your human like me and you matter to someone in this world and out of respect to this you matter to me. Peace out everyone and thank you for all the information I learned from this thread it's been helpful
You know, Danzilla, I've always been a Greatest-Good-For-The-Greatest-Number-Of-People kind of guy. I didn't always used to be that way. White Bred, Middle Class Midwestern Upbringing in a Conservative household... I knew who Carter was, but Reagan was the first president I
knew. Sometime between being 7 and 17, a lot of things changed. I never remember wanting for anything growing up, but I also didn't have everything. We weren't poor, we weren't rich. Hell, I still remember believing so hard in the American Dream that I already had names picked out for the twins my future wife and I would have! I was going to be an Architect, drive a Mercedes, have a two story house in the suburbs, have an NAD system like my Dad, but with better speakers...
I don't know where that fantasy went. But sometime during it, I opened my eyes and saw people, friends, in pain. Turned out that in seeing that around me, I became that too. Maybe that's what growing up is. And that dream died.
Where do we go as a Human Society when we can't even accept our fellow humans as fellows. Half of us are worried about the economy... (probably less than half really...) while the other half don't have clean water to drink or wash their hands with. Most of us live paycheck to paycheck, now, and I have too many friends that don't eat well [healthy] because they can't afford to.
Yes Danzilla, every day seems like a new disaster, and a new calamity. Every flip of the page feels like twenty lies. But I don't blame the media, and I don't blame the Pols. We are all, in some way, at fault for the condition of the world around us.
Perhaps its the mile-wide existential streak in me talking, but we all are responsible for the world around us.
I do try to go out of my way to not dig into petty arguments. I try not to fuel divisive banter or attitudes. I do occasionally call shenanigans when I see closed minded BS being dropped, in hopes that maybe something I say could possibly make a difference and effect a change.
And yes, I also crack wise-@ss, irreverent jokes.
We've put ourselves in a tough spot as a country. Neighbors are no longer friends. Friends are no longer friends. And the world, it turns out, might even be a little angry at us fleas always biting on it. The stakes in life are high and winning means you get to struggle again tomorrow.
I tried being positive about our new friend Corona Virus while it was still a more remote threat. I do wish that I could still be slinging espressos at the cafe right now, if for no other reason than to give that little bit of hope that such a 'Normal Day' activity could bring. And I do think we need more of that right now: Hope.
Promises aren't helping. Rose colored glasses aren't helping. Lies and self serving politics isn't helping. I never wanted to be an "adult in the room." Unfortunately, it seems that attitude has become far too prevalent, because the truth I see is that there aren't a lot of those around today.
Perhaps this little stand I take inspires you, Danzilla. Perhaps it inspires some little spark somewhere.
We, each of us, are responsible for the whole of us. It must be this because the other ways aren't working. Everyday I try to be better than the day before. Every day I try to share that with the people around me.
Idealistic, yes. Crazy, probably. But this, Danzilla, is what I have.
I accept that responsibility.
