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[snakeeyes]

Whays the difference between both straight and direct?

Straight is the audio signal without any extra processing but still including the crossover to the sub(s).

Pure direct will bypass the crossover to the subs and run the main speakers full range. It also shuts off the front display.

 

[Patrick Kennedy]

I think am getting over taken by this problem.

I just tried YPAO for auto ajustment of my speaker. And for unknow reason all my speaker exept the center chanel has been setup to large

The sub level have been setup to +10.odb

The distance is innacurate compare to a mesuring tape

Finally my subs are making some kind of noise but it doesnt feel good at all.

When i make a test tone i barely hear the subs.

Ive been reading alot about speaker and subs setup and they all say the same things. Put the speaker all the small under 80hz.

So conclusion is.... do i setup manually and set all my speaker to small under 80hz or i trust YPAO.

Where is the volume for the subs. All i see is crossover, phase and level?

 

[lovinthehd]

I think am getting over taken by this problem.

I just tried YPAO for auto ajustment of my speaker. And for unknow reason all my speaker exept the center chanel has been setup to large

The sub level have been setup to +10.odb

The distance is innacurate compare to a mesuring tape

Finally my subs are making some kind of noise but it doesnt feel good at all.

When i make a test tone i barely hear the subs.

Ive been reading alot about speaker and subs setup and they all say the same things. Put the speaker all the small under 80hz.

So conclusion is.... do i setup manually and set all my speaker to small under 80hz or i trust YPAO.

Where is the volume for the subs. All i see is crossover, phase and level?

As to an avr setting speaker to "large" it's usually when the avr detects an f3 for a given speaker of 40Hz. It's more about the marketing department not wanting to tell you your junk is "small" If using subs like you I'd change all speakers to small and put the crossover at 80 to start (and maybe even higher if localization of the subs isn't an issue). Sub level seems your avr is trying to up the gain....try increasing the gain on the subs themselves then re-run YPAO. Many like more than "flat" frequency response in the bass department, so after you get the trim level down some (0 or less),I'd probably boost the subs a few dB. Level is "volume", also called trim level, but shouldn't be as high as 10 for a sub IMO. Yamaha's YPAO is kinda goofy with the way it balances speakers and subs sometimes....

 

[Pogre]

As to an avr setting speaker to "large" it's usually when the avr detects an f3 for a given speaker of 40Hz. It's more about the marketing department not wanting to tell you your junk is "small" If using subs like you I'd change all speakers to small and put the crossover at 80 to start (and maybe even higher if localization of the subs isn't an issue). Sub level seems your avr is trying to up the gain....try increasing the gain on the subs themselves then re-run YPAO. Many like more than "flat" frequency response in the bass department, so after you get the trim level down some (0 or less),I'd probably boost the subs a few dB. Level is "volume", also called trim level, but shouldn't be as high as 10 for a sub IMO. Yamaha's YPAO is kinda goofy with the way it balances speakers and subs sometimes....

I'm not real sure if he gets the idea of running YPAO, then adjust the speakers to small and adjust crossovers while leaving the rest of the settings. His phrasing of the question reads as "either, or" to me. Trust YPAO or skip it altogether and go manual. I say do both.

Also @Patrick Kennedy, the distances your avr sets don't always match up with the actual measured distance, especially for subwoofers. It's a way to compensate for timing. I tend to leave my distance settings where room correction sets it.

 

[lovinthehd]

I'm not real sure if he gets the idea of running YPAO, then adjust the speakers to small and adjust crossovers while leaving the rest of the settings. His phrasing of the question reads as "either, or" to me. Trust YPAO or skip it altogether and go manual. I say do both.

Also @Patrick Kennedy, the distances your avr sets don't always match up with the actual measured distance, especially for subwoofers. It's a way to compensate for timing. I tend to leave my distance settings where room correction sets it.

Yes, don't think he's got much avr background....it can take a while as well as some reading up. I still think YPAO can be a good start....depending on expectations and taste, too.

Thanks for covering the distance (delay) thing. Even speakers may not be exactly same distance due to acoustic environment, even a manual measurement can be difficult depending what point on the speaker you measure to/from (as well as your position).

 

[ryanosaur]

Subwoofer plate amps contain a Digital Signal Processor, or DSP... this processing alters the timing... distance is equated to timing in the Room Correction protocols. Audyssey is known to almost double the distance of a Subwoofer.
Do the rest of your speakers match up reasonably well: within 1 foot/30cm roughly?

Agree with Pogre: turn your Sub Gain UP at the Subwoofer Amp and run your calibration again. At the end of the day, you can still turn the room correction off, but these programs usually d very well with setting the Levels and Distances so you get clean, articulate balanced sound through your whole system.

 

[ryanosaur]

even a manual measurement can be difficult depending what point on the speaker you measure to/from (as well as your position).

I've always heard that you measure to the center point of the baffle between the Mid and Tweeter (assuming a 3-way design, otherwise midway between the Tweeter and Woofer for a 2-way). Thoughts or further suggestions?

 

[Patrick Kennedy]

I'm not real sure if he gets the idea of running YPAO, then adjust the speakers to small and adjust crossovers while leaving the rest of the settings. His phrasing of the question reads as "either, or" to me. Trust YPAO or skip it altogether and go manual. I say do both.

Also @Patrick Kennedy, the distances your avr sets don't always match up with the actual measured distance, especially for subwoofers. It's a way to compensate for timing. I tend to leave my distance settings where room correction sets it.

Its geting better i think.

 

[Pogre]

Its geting better i think.

Yeah, I'm running a Marantz receiver with XT32 so the Yamaha menu is pretty foreign to me.

 

[Patrick Kennedy]

The subs are about 4 feets from me. YPAO has double the distance. For the rest of the speaker its roughly 1 feet difference.

I kept all the YPAO setting, exept the size of the speaker that i put back to small.

Sorry guys, its hard for me to understamd all the sciences of sound. And has you all know my english is very limited. But am getting there and i appreciate all the help you gave me

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

I didnt tried YPAO, i did manual setup. Tonight i will try YPAO, mayne it will resolve the problem.

I will use a 4k disk to run more test.
ATM i am 5.0 and the sound is fantastic...


The sound mode is set to surround decoder. No idea if it is dts or dolby, it doesnt show on the screen.

All my speaker are at small and 80 hz.

I have no idea how to turn LFE on.

When you did manual setup, did you say “yes” to subwoofer?

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

I've always heard that you measure to the center point of the baffle between the Mid and Tweeter (assuming a 3-way design, otherwise midway between the Tweeter and Woofer for a 2-way). Thoughts or further suggestions?

I just hook the tape on my speaker grill.

 

[Patrick Kennedy]

When you did manual setup, did you say “yes” to subwoofer?

Yes i did both of them. Now i can hear them in the test tone. But they sound very faint. Like a background noise

 

[Patrick Kennedy]

When you did manual setup, did you say “yes” to subwoofer?

Yes i did both of them. Now i can hear them in the test tone. But they sound very faint. Like a background noise

 

[snakeeyes]

Yes i did both of them. Now i can hear them in the test tone. But they sound very faint. Like a background noise

My 2060 is like that on test tone but the sub itself is loud. Try an action movie Blu-ray to see.

 

[Patrick Kennedy]

My 2060 is like that on test tone but the sub itself is loud. Try an action movie Blu-ray to see.

To get the subs louder, do i need to adjust something on the AV or directly on the subs?

 

[Patrick Kennedy]

This is the link to my subs manual. If you can give me some insight.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://downloads.monoprice.com/files/manuals/24456_Manual_171106.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjEw9bDw8fkAhUjh-AKHZBgBMAQFjAAegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw3BAXokbbs-RJGs3cf4QGVu

 

[snakeeyes]

To get the subs louder, do i need to adjust something on the AV or directly on the subs?

I think try something like +1.0db in level first

And set on sub each at 25% volume (don’t overdo it at first). Then go up 5% or 10% (since 2 subs probably only need 35% volume on each, a guess) I would caution you not to crank them too high until you know what is right.

Also not sure what speakers you have but many like 90hz crossover

 

[lovinthehd]

To get the subs louder, do i need to adjust something on the AV or directly on the subs?

You can get "louder" by increasing the master volume, and bring the speakers right along, and the louder you go the more natural it will sound due to the way we hear; if you want more sub at lower volume your avr has something called YPAO Volume, a sort of loudness contour to help out the way we hear at lower volume levels.

That aside, do what I said earlier and increase the gain setting on your sub and rerun YPAO to closer to 0 (preferably less) so you have some headroom to boost the sub trim level (the one in the avr, sub level) from there if you just like them extraordinarily loud (some do).

 

[lovinthehd]

This is the link to my subs manual. If you can give me some insight.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://downloads.monoprice.com/files/manuals/24456_Manual_171106.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjEw9bDw8fkAhUjh-AKHZBgBMAQFjAAegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw3BAXokbbs-RJGs3cf4QGVu

Some sub manuals try to cover working with various types of gear, in your case your avr can handle crossover/delay/eq duties so you want the sub settings fairly neutral to start, as has already been suggested in at least one recent post.