Stop! Don't download newest version of iTunes.

[herbu]

I'm talking about itunes control over one's media. Its also the worst interface I've ever seen or had the displeasure of using.

I can see your point... for someone with your technical acumen and audiophile predilection. You are clearly not iTune's target customer. If I wasn't so lazy and stupid, I could know all about that stuff too. But I am, and I don't. So I'm part of the 90%... and that makes you part of the 10%. Likely even part of the 1%. Who wudda thunk it!?!

 

[sterling shoote]

I'm talking about itunes control over one's media. Its also the worst interface I've ever seen or had the displeasure of using.

If Apple did two updates to iTunes it would literally own the entire music market: 1. provide access to and storage for multi-channel music, and 2. sell hi-rez downloads from iTunes Store. I don't think Apple is interested in this yet, since the market for multi-channel music and hi-res is small and perceived to be complicated. Apple can't make money on small; and, complicated is not complementary to Apple's ease of use appeal.

 

[3db]

I can see your point... for someone with your technical acumen and audiophile predilection. You are clearly not iTune's target customer. If I wasn't so lazy and stupid, I could know all about that stuff too. But I am, and I don't. So I'm part of the 90%... and that makes you part of the 10%. Likely even part of the 1%. Who wudda thunk it!?!

Nothing wrong with that if it works for you.

 

[sterling shoote]

Nothing wrong with that if it works for you.

Bingo!

 

[slipperybidness]

https://www.engadget.com/2018/09/17/itunes-purchases-might-not-travel/

 

[Bucknekked]

https://www.engadget.com/2018/09/17/itunes-purchases-might-not-travel/

I realize if someone hates iTunes or just isn't a fan, the title of this thread is just proof of their point of view.
But, I read the article and its worse than misleading to say iTunes or Apple is deleting movies or paid content from peoples libraries. The situation mentioned in the article is pretty unique and if you reflect on it for a few moments, its the kind of problem any content provider would have in the same situation.

I use iTunes and I have since waaaay back in the day. I don't love it, but, it works for me and it does all I want.
Now that I have built a new Windows 10 machine in the midst of all my Mac products, it remains to be seen if I put iTunes on it, or, JRiver or Foobar or any number of other products designed for intel/windows. No hurry.

 

[slipperybidness]

I realize if someone hates iTunes or just isn't a fan, the title of this thread is just proof of their point of view.
But, I read the article and its worse than misleading to say iTunes or Apple is deleting movies or paid content from peoples libraries. The situation mentioned in the article is pretty unique and if you reflect on it for a few moments, its the kind of problem any content provider would have in the same situation.

I use iTunes and I have since waaaay back in the day. I don't love it, but, it works for me and it does all I want.
Now that I have built a new Windows 10 machine in the midst of all my Mac products, it remains to be seen if I put iTunes on it, or, JRiver or Foobar or any number of other products designed for intel/windows. No hurry.

I didn't mean for this to be a dig on iTunes in particular, just another reminder on how digital "purchases" can be inferior to owning a hard copy.

I don't really see it as misleading to say that "iTunes deleted content from a paid library". This guy paid for it, "thought" that he owned the material, then "poof" that media is now gone.

Perhaps our ideas of ownership are not the same.

 

[Bucknekked]

I didn't mean for this to be a dig on iTunes in particular, just another reminder on how digital "purchases" can be inferior to owning a hard copy.

I don't really see it as misleading to say that "iTunes deleted content from a paid library". This guy paid for it, "thought" that he owned the material, then "poof" that media is now gone.

Perhaps our ideas of ownership are not the same.

I didn't take it as a dig or a slight. There are lots of choices for folks to make, and this is just one of them.
I took no offence. We're good. Sterling Shoote and I may be the only iTunes fans on the whole AH.

We probably share the same views on ownership as well. But in the very finicky and lawyer ruled universe of digital media, none of us "owns" much of anything if you purchase it online as a download. We get some sort of viewing or listening privilege for our money, but, we don't own the music or the movie.

I think we're good. I get all steamed up when topics like this come up because the lawyers and the UELAs make all of us criminals by merely wanting to watch or listen to what we pay for in a manner that suits us best. I also agree, having media in hand is way better than depending on a download or connection.

 

[slipperybidness]

I didn't take it as a dig or a slight. There are lots of choices for folks to make, and this is just one of them.
I took no offence. We're good. Sterling Shoote and I may be the only iTunes fans on the whole AH.

We probably share the same views on ownership as well. But in the very finicky and lawyer ruled universe of digital media, none of us "owns" much of anything if you purchase it online as a download. We get some sort of viewing or listening privilege for our money, but, we don't own the music or the movie.

I think we're good. I get all steamed up when topics like this come up because the lawyers and the UELAs make all of us criminals by merely wanting to watch or listen to what we pay for in a manner that suits us best. I also agree, having media in hand is way better than depending on a download or connection.

Fair enough.

Perhaps it is better to say "Joe Public doesn't seem to understand the new frontier of digital media and ownership rights".

Then, the people that don't understand, learn the hard way.

If you understand the implications of modern digital licensing rights, then choose to make a digital purchase, then it's not a problem.

 

[KEW]

Yesterday, I downloaded the latest version of iTunes on one of my Windows 10 laptops. Now, the Airport icon no longer functions to select between computer and Airport Express. And, the icon being orange instead of blue indicates I have no Airport Express/Network connection, which is false, since my other laptop which has not received the iTunes update works fine to deliver wirelessly to Airport Express. My devices work too. Usually this sort of thing is solved when folks starting sending messages to Apple, but now a day after the download, and re-downloading twice Airport still does not function.

I usually don't, but some day I might "get a wild hair ..." and figure they could have introduced something beneficial over the past decade and I should update!
Thanks for the warning.

 

[sterling shoote]

Interestingly enough, I had another issue with iTunes recently. I do not know if it was tied to a recent software update. The "For You" section did not load on either of my laptops, while It did load on my iPhone and iPad.

Now, for the first time since initially installing iTunes back in 2004 I was able to contact iTunes by phone and talk to someone about it, perhaps because I am a paid subscriber to Apple Music. At any rate, during my contact, I spoke with 3 persons, one from Apple Music and the others with iTunes. The contact concluded with acknowledgment from Apple/iTunes that my issue was universal and the iTunes folks were working to fix it. Late the next day things were indeed fixed.

I am no less a fan of iTunes today from this latest issue, perhaps because there have been so few issues while the service has otherwise been as convenient as it is comprehensive to my desired outcomes from usage. iTunes tied to Airport Express for an Airplay function with my 19 year old pre/pro permits me to have a high quality listening experience within seconds to virtually any music recorded in the history of recording through my home theatre mains 24/7. Isn't that enough to say WOW!

One more thought, I have a huge collection of commercial movies on VHS. Now, that's a hard copy for sure, that I for sure own; but, attempting to transfer those commercial recordings to DVD using VHS to DVD equipment has eluded me so far. I have not had a pressing interest; yet, what seemed to me to be a quick and simple solution has become a little more complicated thus thwarting my participation.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I've used Airplay on my Denon. It would cut in and out more and more. I have the 1 Gbps AT&T fiber-optic internet.

So these days I just play music on my KODI (HTPC Network Ethernet). Never have anymore issues like I had with WiFi Airplay.

 

[slipperybidness]

I've used Airplay on my Denon. It would cut in and out more and more. I have the 1 Gbps AT&T fiber-optic internet.

So these days I just play music on my KODI (HTPC Network Ethernet). Never have anymore issues like I had with WiFi Airplay.

The beauty of open source software!

 

[Irvrobinson]

The beauty of open source software!

It probably says more about Denon's poor implementation. Comparing an embedded feature on an AVR to software running on an HTPC is one reason why I don't like AVRs and pre-pros with features under constant development like that. Airplay is intended for relatively powerful software-driven devices.

In general, unless the development community is big and the user base really big, I find open source software to be poorly written and buggy.

 

[slipperybidness]

It probably says more about Denon's poor implementation. Comparing an embedded feature on an AVR to software running on an HTPC is one reason why I don't like AVRs and pre-pros with features under constant development like that. Airplay is intended for relatively powerful software-driven devices.

In general, unless the development community is big and the user base really big, I find open source software to be poorly written and buggy.

That is fair enough assessment for open source.

But.....Kodi and Retropie are 2 of the largest, community-supported open source s/w packages out there, I am intimately familiar with each, and each does truly show the power of open source/community driven approach to problem solving.

 

[sterling shoote]

Airplay via Airport Express is not at all prone to dropouts on my system with iTunes preference set to Windows Audio Session. In fact, I'd have to be running 3 maybe more programs at the same time to cause my music to drop out just for a second or two. When I'm here and playing music at same time no worries. I also have a laptop wired to my OPPO's usb DAC running at 24/192, which is connected to an RCA input on my pre/pro; and, that laptop is also connected to my pre/pro via usb to S/PDIF connection running at 24/96. So, three connections to get music from where ever it may reside at what ever the native rate on my laptop to my home theatre mains. Since Airport Express serves up every tune it receives at 16/44 you would think, I'd have a preference for the usb DAC. No doubt it sounds great but up sampling Doo Wop mp3's from my iTunes Library I can hear mastering errors which distract me from the pleasure of that sort of music. So, for the most part, I just use Airplay.