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I found my perfect second system in my mancave ....

Marantz 5011

B&W 685 S2

B&W Stands

HTM62 S2 Center

B&W M1 Surrounds

Emotiva BasX 10

PS4

After arduous testing this is what I loved most ...trust me , I wanted to go off brand , indy brand ..but my ears didn't see it that way.

KEF were the the only thing that got close to unseating the 685 - I called Marantz, I called Denon and after three long discussions the Marantz is indeed aimed at sound quality at music etc with it's HDAM ...

but now? what now ? I have nothing to post here! LOL

Except I'll make this slight controversial observation ...Audssey ? ...a tic overrated ....
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

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What does off brand mean? LOL HDAM I doubt is any audibly different from Denon's ALS. Just marketing IMO especially when asking the company that makes both and markets them a specific way....

How deep into the Audyssey setup possibilities did you dig? Altho I think XT is inferior to XT32 in any case.

Surely you can find other things to discuss, dig into down the line.... :)
 
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I hope because I love this site and the people and the videos the owners make on youtube. Excellent

If you listen to even a higher end Denon v the Marantz lets second second lowest model - you will get a better amp aimed at music.

This comes from a number of sources - over on AVS there's a guy who specializes in Denon and he agreed. However in the hi end Denon you get the XT32 and you get an AVR aimed at HT.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

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I hope because I love this site and the people and the videos the owners make on youtube. Excellent

If you listen to even a higher end Denon v the Marantz lets second second lowest model - you will get a better amp aimed at music.

This comes from a number of sources - over on AVS there's a guy who specializes in Denon and he agreed. However in the hi end Denon you get the XT32 and you get an AVR aimed at HT.
Well not all that convincing to me, think I may know what you mean at avs...and I think if it's jdsmoothie its more being facetious as he markets both. So how did you compare these various models of Denon vs Marantz?
 
everettT

everettT

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I hope because I love this site and the people and the videos the owners make on youtube. Excellent

If you listen to even a higher end Denon v the Marantz lets second second lowest model - you will get a better amp aimed at music.

This comes from a number of sources - over on AVS there's a guy who specializes in Denon and he agreed. However in the hi end Denon you get the XT32 and you get an AVR aimed at HT.
HDAM doesn't touch my SWM! It makes music way better





Scotch with music has to be better compared to whiskey
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

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Altho Scotch is a specific range of whisk(e)y :)....and Islay is the most in-tune :)
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

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If you listen to even a higher end Denon v the Marantz lets second second lowest model - you will get a better amp aimed at music.
I called Marantz, I called Denon and after three long discussions the Marantz is indeed aimed at sound quality at music etc with it's HDAM ...
Are you serious?

Yes, I have most definitely heard high-end Marantz vs Denon with speakers like Revel Salon 2, B&W 802D2, Linkwitz Orion, KEF Reference 201/2, etc.

The Marantz sounds EXACTLY like the Denon.
 
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No it doesn’t


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everettT

everettT

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Yow I missed that! I sure hope not....
Just guessing as it seems to be the theme. I'm glad he is enjoying his system that's what it should be about. Hopefully he gets the opportunity to hear many other speakers and gets the itch. I'm not a fan of a lot of speakers that get huge praise, but that's my subjective opinion. I certainly don't think about amplification anymore after owning esoteric gear for years, I just want competent products and don't look at buzz words. I still have a Hafler designed amp form the early 70s that is still kicking and if it had "Sound" I bet it would be nice.
 
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Seriously, I have no life.
I hope because I love this site and the people and the videos the owners make on youtube. Excellent

If you listen to even a higher end Denon v the Marantz lets second second lowest model - you will get a better amp aimed at music.

This comes from a number of sources - over on AVS there's a guy who specializes in Denon and he agreed. However in the hi end Denon you get the XT32 and you get an AVR aimed at HT.
"There's a guy", eh? There's always a guy. Does he have more credibility because he's on AVS, because "he specializes in Denon"....?

Technically, I specialize in Denon, too- I only sell one other brand and Denon specs out better WRT the performance vs spec sheet. Marantz does have some things that are different from Denon- copper shielding, HDAM, different output devices, etc.

How much of a difference can you hear and what is your question? Are you asking what you should buy?

Only you can answer that. If you like something, it fits your budget and it does what you want/need it to, go ahead.

What do you consider to be "off brand"?
 
everettT

everettT

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Meanwhile I'd imagine, @Mcode can correct me, that the amp section of the 5 series is redundant to the Denon counterpart.
 
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"There's a guy", eh? There's always a guy. Does he have more credibility because he's on AVS, because "he specializes in Denon"....?

Technically, I specialize in Denon, too- I only sell one other brand and Denon specs out better WRT the performance vs spec sheet. Marantz does have some things that are different from Denon- copper shielding, HDAM, different output devices, etc.

How much of a difference can you hear and what is your question? Are you asking what you should buy?

Only you can answer that. If you like something, it fits your budget and it does what you want/need it to, go ahead.

What do you consider to be "off brand"?
Independent brands = off brand
99% of consumers never heard of jamo or even elac


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Seriously, I have no life.
Independent brands = off brand
99% of consumers never heard of jamo or even elac


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They would if they would look into the companies and if they would do a google search/look at the company sites for dealers, they definitely would have heard about these two. ELAC is Benjamin Miracord, a company that has been around for a very long time.

Jamo, before being purchased by Klipsch, was the #3 producer of finished speaker units (speakers in boxes) worldwide, behind Bose and the Harman Group. I don't know when you became interested in audio, but if it was before 2000, you should have seen their speakers in a lot of stores. They didn't sell to many/any big box stores, but the specialists definitely were a major part of their dealer network. One reason Klipsch bought the company is due to Jamo having CE designation and that's necessary if a company wants to sell their products in the rest of the world. They consolidated the company stock in a holding company before the sale and one reason the company was sold is that the founders wanted to retire; they began in '68, in a small shed- pretty amazing, if you think about it. By '94, they were the largest speaker manufacturer in Europe.

If you knew how many speakers these two companies have sold, you wouldn't call them 'off-brand'.

Independent companies are 'off-brand'? ALL of the major conglomerates started as small companies and being part of a major corporation doesn't mean they make better products than the "off-brands", it just means they can buy in quantities that cause their price/unit to be lower.
 
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KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
I found my perfect second system in my mancave ....

Marantz 5011

B&W 685 S2

B&W Stands

HTM62 S2 Center

B&W M1 Surrounds

Emotiva BasX 10

PS4

After arduous testing this is what I loved most ...trust me , I wanted to go off brand , indy brand ..but my ears didn't see it that way.

KEF were the the only thing that got close to unseating the 685 - I called Marantz, I called Denon and after three long discussions the Marantz is indeed aimed at sound quality at music etc with it's HDAM ...

but now? what now ? I have nothing to post here! LOL

Except I'll make this slight controversial observation ...Audssey ? ...a tic overrated ....
Glad you found a great system you are happy with.

As for Audyssey, I have run it several time with different systems.
Sometimes I believe it is a very significant improvement, sometimes I can't tell much, if any, difference. A lot depends on your system and set-up, what needs fixin', and how good Audyssey is at fixing it.
 
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They would if they would look into the companies and if they would do a google search/look at the company sites for dealers, they definitely would have heard about these two. ELAC is Benjamin Miracord, a company that has been around for a very long time.

Jamo, before being purchased by Klipsch, was the #3 producer of finished speaker units (speakers in boxes) worldwide, behind Bose and the Harman Group. I don't know when you became interested in audio, but if it was before 2000, you should have seen their speakers in a lot of stores. They didn't sell to many/any big box stores, but the specialists definitely were a major part of their dealer network. One reason Klipsch bought the company is due to Jamo having CE designation and that's necessary if a company wants to sell their products in the rest of the world. They consolidated the company stock in a holding company before the sale and one reason the company was sold is that the founders wanted to retire; they began in '68, in a small shed- pretty amazing, if you think about it. By '94, they were the largest speaker manufacturer in Europe.

If you knew how many speakers these two companies have sold, you wouldn't call them 'off-brand'.

Independent companies are 'off-brand'? ALL of the major conglomerates started as small companies and being part of a major corporation doesn't mean they make better products than the "off-brands", it just means they can buy in quantities that cause their price/unit to be lower.
99.99% of consumers will have never heard of Jamo - ever.

Bose - Sony - Pioneer- Denon - Klipsch ... in fact 90 % of the 99 will know Vizio before Jamo ... or elac ...


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