Couple questions about Yamaha RX-A3060

[William Lemmerhirt]

Generally a program like YPAO (or Audyssey in Denon/Marantz units) will reset everything when you run it. Some have the ability to save a calibration, some don't....can't say I've read about saving YPAO but my avr can save an Audyssey calibration (with a computer) but it's not the quickest process to save nor to put back into play.

Many of these programs will set speakers to large regularly even when you tell it you want to use a sub, as I am fond of saying that's because the marketing guys don't want to tell you your stuff is "small". General rule of thumb is not to lower a crossover below what the program suggests (and sets for eq), but raising the crossover is fine.

Another reason NOT to lower the XO after calibration is the calibration EQ only occurs above the point which it sets the XO at. Basically there are no EQ filters below where it sets XO at, but they are above so raising won't effect how it's eq'd, which is a main point of RC.

 

[Hasan Alnajdi]

That's awesome Hasan. I love reading posts like this.

You're so kind pogre.. I'm glad to have people like you and the rest fo the rescue.. many thanks

 

[Hasan Alnajdi]

Another reason NOT to lower the XO after calibration is the calibration EQ only occurs above the point which it sets the XO at. Basically there are no EQ filters below where it sets XO at, but they are above so raising won't effect how it's eq'd, which is a main point of RC.

I get what you guys are saying.. but ypao resets my manual crossover setting automatically and no crossover effect take place.. the way I did it was to turn the low pass to its minimum the let ypao do it thing the I manually do the crossover

 

[Hasan Alnajdi]

I mean when the speakers are set to large there is no way in the settings to check the crossover rate.. moreover, if I did turn the low pass to its max the ypao sets my subs levels to -6 db which is ridiculous.. I can't even feel the sound level pressure in my ears.. the second time i did it.. i set the low pass to minimum.. let ypao reset and I returned the low pass to maximum

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

I mean when the speakers are set to large there is no way in the settings to check the crossover rate.. moreover, if I did turn the low pass to its max the ypao sets my subs levels to -6 db which is ridiculous.. I can't even feel the sound level pressure in my ears.. the second time i did it.. i set the low pass to minimum.. let ypao reset and I returned the low pass to maximum

The reason it sets at -6 when the XO is there is more output above the lowest point where you set it. Either way you do it should work the same. All you have to to is raise the gain from -6 to wherever you like it. Maybe -1 or 0. This is common for audyssey users too, since audyssey sets subs to flat, and that sounds dull to most ears.

 

[Pogre]

I mean when the speakers are set to large there is no way in the settings to check the crossover rate.. moreover, if I did turn the low pass to its max the ypao sets my subs levels to -6 db which is ridiculous.. I can't even feel the sound level pressure in my ears.. the second time i did it.. i set the low pass to minimum.. let ypao reset and I returned the low pass to maximum

It's normal to turn up the sub setting about 3db after calibrating. That would be -3 for you. Mine sets my subs to -8.5 and I bumped it up to -5.5. That's where it sounds good to me.

 

[Hasan Alnajdi]

The reason it sets at -6 when the XO is there is more output above the lowest point where you set it. Either way you do it should work the same. All you have to to is raise the gain from -6 to wherever you like it. Maybe -1 or 0. This is common for audyssey users too, since audyssey sets subs to flat, and that sounds dull to most ears.

but it doesn't work the same.. even speakers levels were different.. However, I never thought about messing with flat settings.. what do personaly believe is best?

 

[Pogre]

but it doesn't work the same.. even speakers levels were different.. However, I never thought about messing with flat settings.. what do personaly believe is best?

What he means by "flat" is what Audyssey tries to acheieve. Basically your system should play at the same volume from high frequencies to the low ones (+/- 3db). Because of the way we perceive lower frequencies, most of us like a little bump in the sub frequencies.

 

[Hasan Alnajdi]

It is currently 0db for left and -1.5 for right.. the front speakers are around 0 while the back range from +4 to +2 db

 

[Hasan Alnajdi]

What he means by "flat" is what Audyssey tries to acheieve. Basically your system should play at the same volume from high frequencies to the low ones. Because of the way we perceive lower frequencies, most of us like a little bump in the sub frequencies.

What about parametric EQ.. I have four options: flat, front, natural, and through... what are they all about?

 

[Pogre]

It is currently 0db for left and -1.5 for right.. the front speakers are around 0 while the back range from +4 to +2 db

That's level matching. So your hearing the same volume from all speakers from where you did your calibrations, which should be your primary seating position.

 

[Pogre]

What about parametric EQ.. I have four options: flat, front, natural, and through... what are they all about?

I'm not entirely educated on parametric eq. I have a Denon receiver and prefer the flat setting. I'm guessing "natural" might bypass the eq settings?

 

[Hasan Alnajdi]

What he means by "flat" is what Audyssey tries to acheieve. Basically your system should play at the same volume from high frequencies to the low ones (+/- 3db). Because of the way we perceive lower frequencies, most of us like a little bump in the sub frequencies.

Got it

 

[Hasan Alnajdi]

I'm not entirely educated on parametric eq. I have a Denon receiver and prefer the flat setting. I'm guessing "natural" might bypass the eq settings?

Its ok.. Ill read more about it in the manual

 

[Hasan Alnajdi]

Flat: Adjusts individual speakers to achieve the same characteristics.

Front: Adjusts individual speakers to achieve the same characteristics as the front speakers.

Natural: Adjusts all speakers to achieve a natural sound. Does not use the equalizer.

Through: no equlizer

 

[Pogre]

Its ok.. Ill read more about it in the manual

That'd be best. Different manufacturers have different terminology and I'm most familiar with Denon.

*Edit: I see you already did your homework! I *think* I would prefer flat. you'll have to try them all and see what you like best.

 

[Hasan Alnajdi]

That'd be best. Different manufacturers have different terminology and I'm most familiar with Denon.

*Edit: I see you already did your homework!

I think I'll just stick with flat.. I am pretty much content withe current settings... glad to have you guys again to gain more understanding on the subject.. to you all .. pretty big thanks

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

It is currently 0db for left and -1.5 for right.. the front speakers are around 0 while the back range from +4 to +2 db

Pogre covered this but I'll add a little. It's the same as how ypao sets the distances according to how it hears the speakers affected by the room. Levels are similar and. Speakers have different sensitivities, so applying 1watt of power to a speaker with relatively high sensitivity(expressed in db) like 90db or above will play louder than another speaker with a a lower sensitivity, say 86db with the same watt of power. Fronts and rears being different, usually have different sensitivities so there is one disparity. Secondly, just like distance, the room can add/remove output levels by a speaker being close to room boundaries. Sometimes as much as 6db. So unless you're raising or lowering the BD levels for certain channels based on preference, I would leave them.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

It's normal to turn up the sub setting about 3db after calibrating. That would be -3 for you. Mine sets my subs to -8.5 and I bumped it up to -5.5. That's where it sounds good to me.

I noticed you also run with dynamicEq. I'm not sure of the offset, but run my subs at 80 vs 75 on the other channels.(no DEQ) Flat is just too...flat. Lol

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

but it doesn't work the same.. even speakers levels were different.. However, I never thought about messing with flat settings.. what do personaly believe is best?

Ok. Then I would personally run ypao with the low pass all the way up and just change to small and 80(or whatever XO is best in your room), bump the sub channel up to taste and BLOW UP THE HOUSE!!!