NC Bathroom Law

[Chu Gai]

But you know, this isn't just about bathrooms. The progressive elements state that if an individual identifies as a member of one sex even if they were born as something else, they should be treated the same as their personal identification. So, a guy who dresses like a woman or states they identify as a woman should be accorded the same treatment as a woman.

Now if the school system plays along, then they will also likely have to do so when it comes to sports for one. If the girls locker room has only one communal shower facility there'll be at least one person who's packing. How is this to be handled? What about competitive sports?

 

[Steve81]

What about a high school that has 8000 students?

Even in a school that size, you're unlikely to have more than a couple openly transgender students. And yeah, people will still know who they are.

 

[Steve81]

If the girls locker room has only one communal shower facility there'll be at least one person who's packing. How is this to be handled?

Presumably via upgrading the facilities. The alternative you allude to sounds a lot like indecent exposure w/ minors, which one imagines won't fly even in relatively liberal circles.

What about competitive sports?

There are already some guidelines on that w/ NCAA. AFAIK, they require 1 year of hormone treatment for a transgender MTF to compete in women's sports.

 

[highfigh]

I was at a local burger/custard joint and a guy who looked like the link walked in. Well, it was less than a casual walk in, get your order and walk out. He was wearing a back skirt, black shoulder-length wig, short camel coat and gold loop earrings with red lipstick. And a scowl- he looked like he lost a bet, but it's hard to say why it happened.

The place went totally silent when he waltzed in, stayed quiet while he was there and for a while after he left. Stunned silence is what I would call it.

It was something.

 

[MR.MAGOO]

another reason to get a home-based job, and avoid public places as much as possible, and learn to control your own bodily functions.

 

[herbu]

But you know, this isn't just about bathrooms.

Right. The argument is that the Civil Rights Act affords transgenders the same rights as any other minority. So not just bathrooms or locker rooms. ALL organizations, activities and locations that allow females, must allow a man who says he identifies himself as a female.

Before we pass such a law, wouldn't it be reasonable to define how we would verify a person's claim of gender identity when it becomes necessary?

 

[lsiberian]

But you know, this isn't just about bathrooms. The progressive elements state that if an individual identifies as a member of one sex even if they were born as something else, they should be treated the same as their personal identification. So, a guy who dresses like a woman or states they identify as a woman should be accorded the same treatment as a woman.

Now if the school system plays along, then they will also likely have to do so when it comes to sports for one. If the girls locker room has only one communal shower facility there'll be at least one person who's packing. How is this to be handled? What about competitive sports?

There are already issues with communal showers. Just make them all stalls and the problem is solved.

 

[herbu]

There are already issues with communal showers. Just make them all stalls and the problem is solved.

Is this problem big enough to require all schools, gyms and facilities w/ showers to pay for such a remodel? And wouldn't it have to extend to their locker/dressing areas as well as the showers? Seems like quite an expense and reduction in the number of people it could accommodate.

I think about the locker room in my gym. It has rows of lockers and benches, and can probably serve ~100 people at a time. Individual stalls might cut that number to 20? And think about all the schools. Our school budget is already strained, with a current focus on increasing teacher pay. Is locker room remodeling more important than teacher pay?

These seem like some of the implementation questions that should be resolved before passing a law to require it.

 

[lsiberian]

Is this problem big enough to require all schools, gyms and facilities w/ showers to pay for such a remodel? And wouldn't it have to extend to their locker/dressing areas as well as the showers? Seems like quite an expense and reduction in the number of people it could accommodate.

I think about the locker room in my gym. It has rows of lockers and benches, and can probably serve ~100 people at a time. Individual stalls might cut that number to 20? And think about all the schools. Our school budget is already strained, with a current focus on increasing teacher pay. Is locker room remodeling more important than teacher pay?

These seem like some of the implementation questions that should be resolved before passing a law to require it.

The government will just print more money to pay those pesky teachers. We'll have an economic boom for locker room remodeling companies too! We don't have to have stalls that's just to accommodate the conservatives who get more angry over a boob on TV than all the violence we expose our children too on a daily basis. It's perfectly moral to shoot someone in the head, but the moment a lady shows a boob she belongs under the jail.

 

[Chu Gai]

Little early to be drinking, no?

 

[Steve81]

Is this problem big enough to require all schools, gyms and facilities w/ showers to pay for such a remodel? And wouldn't it have to extend to their locker/dressing areas as well as the showers?

It's not necessarily something that calls for a huge, costly remodel of existing facilities. One example in Illinois:

School officials initially installed privacy curtains in unused areas of the locker room but have since replaced them with stalls, complete with doors, hooks and benches, district spokesman Tom Petersen said.

"We decided the curtains really weren't private enough," he said. "This alternative was a better option. They're a lot like the changing areas at a department store."

Both the boys' and girls' PE locker rooms each have five privacy stalls for any student to use, he said. The cost to the district was nominal, Petersen added, because the school repurposed material that was already on hand and used its maintenance crew to install.

Of course, I suspect quite a few students wouldn't be all that opposed to a total remodel. Were you ever all that enthused with the prospect of showering and changing in front of a bunch of other dudes?

 

[markw]

I guess every male that goes into a ladies room is part of that 0.03% of the population that falls into the LGBT category.

 

[Chu Gai]

Still used the men's latrine.

 

[herbu]

One example in Illinois:

Some interesting stuff in this article.

"a lengthy battle with federal authorities, tense negotiations and rancorous board meetings"
Odd I don't remember seeing this reported every day on the national news, like our NC issue. But then again, lots of stuff happens in Chicago that the media glosses over.

"Both the boys' and girls' PE locker rooms each have five privacy stalls for any student to use"
And using them is sure to resolve any harassment or embarrassment experienced in this high school before.

"create an environment in school where they not only feel accepted but celebrated"
Why should we "celebrate" any kind of sexual proclivity or orientation?

 

[lsiberian]

Still used the men's latrine.

He also ended up staying in Korea and started dressing normally again.

 

[Chu Gai]

Switch hitters are not unknown.

 

[markw]

Here's a good one to wrap your brain around.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3356084/I-ve-gone-child-Husband-father-seven-52-leaves-wife-kids-live-transgender-SIX-YEAR-OLD-girl-named-Stefonknee.html

 

[Chu Gai]

Clarence Henderson, who was directly involved in the Civil Rights movement way back then has some perspective about the comparison of transgender rights to Jim Crow. From the Charlotte Observer.

 

[Chu Gai]

NASCAR thought this might be a good idea. As I understand it, the signs were later removed.

 

[lsiberian]

NASCAR thought this might be a good idea. As I understand it, the signs were later removed.

What I find even funnier is that only the Men's and ? are occupied.