Perhaps I'm reading this thread differently from you but I don't see any debate going on. There's one person, the OP, who is saying this is what he sees or hears. This is then followed up by suggesting someone else, say Gene, try it in his system and report back. How can you comment unless you try? I wouldn't say these things unless they worked. It's the same old shtick played over and over ad nauseum. Wash, rinse, repeat.
And other posters, well they're making some clever remarks mocking the OP. There is no discussion. Now, you could search his name and get a sense for yourself about his predilections. You don't even know if he owns any of this stuff. He might be just a shill looking to drive some business.
