LG OLED thread continued...

[jcparks]

Conversation got out of hand here
http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/threads/what-new-stuff-have-you-bought-if-you-care-to-share-thead.86935/page-87
My bad...
Anyway I have no intention on hijacking afterlifes thread so we can continue conversation here...

 

[j_garcia]

If you are looking towards an OLED future, you wont get any help from Samsung...
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/11/10/samsung_slams_door_on_oled_tvs_goes_to_quantum_dot_next/
I'm really not an LG fan boy, if I were in the market for a TV right now I would likely jump on a Vizio M series, or possibly a Sony set.
This is just the only place that I can find that slams LG, and I do search...
Google it, LG is the only company investing a meaningful amount of money into large panel OLED TV's right now. While Samsung and Sony look towards a more temporary future of Quantum Dot, which is still an LCD tech.
http://www.cnet.com/news/lg-to-quadruple-oled-panel-production-in-december/
http://www.techradar.com/us/news/television/has-lg-made-a-breakthrough-in-oled-tv-production--1267431
http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/oled-tvs-arent-dead/
If you are all going to sing the praises of OLED... You just may have to hope LG ,or "low grade" as you like to put it, will do something with the tech...
As far as LG having problems getting peoples hard earned money..
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-07-24/lg-electronics-profit-beats-estimates-on-tv-sales-g3.html
That really doesn't seem to be that big of a problem...
Samsung on the other hand...
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-23/samsung-profit-misses-estimates-as-new-iphones-win-share.html

I work in the display industry and I've been in it for many years. Samsung, LG, Sharp, Vizio, basically every display company in the world (most of which no consumers have ever heard of); they are all my customers. Based on what these customers are buying and doing, we know where they're going in real time. Sony IS Samsung, because Sony does not manufacture panels, they only create integrations of Samsung's panels and Samsung is obviously better at doing that since it is their own technology.

LG sells a lot of TVs. That doesn't mean they're the best ones - average consumers have proven time and again they don't really know anything. I'd buy Vizio in a heartbeat over them and I did.

OLED is NOT the answer IMO, since we've heard about it for a long time and it still has issues, but it is the next "buzzword" product that will likely actually go consumer.

 

[Alex2507]

we can continue conversation here...

Good because I was itchin' to say that I think whatever drove LG's rep down will keep LG in the role of a bottom feeder. I'd be stunned to see them at the top of any PQ and reliability rating that had anybody else but them in it as is the case with OLED.

... and I'm working on getting a Sammy 7000 series plasma. Sorry for the high jack.

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

Again don't care for LG, but as for OLED - I'd take it's insane contrast over 4k or 3d buzz any day. Only D-ILA is anywhere near it.

Yes, OLED is still very new and still has lots of questions and issues (like low yield or short life span) but if it's not the answer I don't know what is. I guess it's not plasma anymore

 

[sawzalot]

No hijack Alex just your input and here is mine. No matter what LG brings to the table in the oled market I feel as if they will be easily surpassed in picture quality by other top brand names when they decide to step up their game. I see all signs point to a stalled effort to beat plasma quality by most companies simply because most buyers/viewers are complacent with the offerings of led and lcd which I feel is really no different then my laptop screen.I really hope that oled or maybe something all together different will step up to the plate to fill the void left by the pq of plasma tv but for now I anxiously await the delivery of my new samsung 64 inch plasma , I will keep this puppy and my pioneer 500m till the very end and then some.
Oh did I say my wifey likes lcd better, our 42 inch Sony , bah what does she know.

 

[Alex2507]

No hijack Alex just your input and here is mine.

Man, I'm off my game lately. I was joking!

 

[sawzalot]

LG=Lucky Goldstar yep remember that brand you could only find at K Mart and Jamesway, sometimes Two Guys as well.
I know that the LG OLED is really something and they are supposedly way ahead of the competition but will that equate to them coming out on top, I highly doubt it. I don't believe the competition is just sitting idle regardless to what we read on the internet. When the next big thing is going to pop all the makers will be ready.

 

[jcparks]

OLED is NOT the answer IMO, since we've heard about it for a long time and it still has issues, but it is the next "buzzword" product that will likely actually go consumer.

Funny because 3 days ago you said this

4K OLED will be the path IMO.

as well as this

That will never happen Vizio has surpassed LG for displays even. Samsung will probably remain the top of the food chain for OLED, but Sharp is making a big push too.

So are you telling me that even though you work in the industry... with a 30 second google search I was able to completely change your opinion on the future out look for OLED??
So far I have seen a lot of negative opinions on LG, but I haven't had anyone here post any sort of articles or surveys or any evidence what so ever that would suggest that LG TV's are in anyway inferior to other manufactures...
I'm just saying

 

[Alex2507]

From cnet: the LG plasma showed brighter reflections yet preserved black levels worse than any of the TVs in our lineup

http://www.cnet.com/products/samsung-pn59d7000/2/

I think they talk about top tier manufacturers having failure rates of 2 or 3 percent but LG like doubles that. I wouldn't know how to verify that.

 

[jcparks]

alright... thanks alex for a post about Plasma TV's, a technology that I will agree produces a better image than any other current technology, but is no longer in production. by anyone... save for possibly a few Chinese companies
BTW here are some articles about OLED vs plasma...
http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/oled-vs-plasma-which-display-technology-is-better/
http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/lg-55-inch-oled-best-tv-for-2014/
as for the second article, here is a brand new technology being tested against one that has been perfected over more then a decade...
ok so it isn't brand new tech... but this the first rationally priced consumer set that we have seen.

see this post for articles regarding lg reliability

Based on a simple google search
"LG TV reliability ratings"
I found this
http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/409931/who_makes_most_reliable_tv_/
and this
http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/2013-high-definition-television-hdtv-satisfaction-report
just on the first page that could counter the "Low Grade", or "reliability problems comment.
when I googled LG tv reliability problems I found this
http://blogs.which.co.uk/technology/tvs/how-long-will-your-tv-last-we-can-tell-you/
If you look at this site it would posibly indicate a problem with LG tv's
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/home_electronics/lg-tv.html
However when you click the "compare companies" link you will notice no company has more then 2 stars, to include Sony, Samsung, Sharp, Vizio...
None of these studies would indicate LG having any sort of reliability problems...
You are free to do the same search I did and post contradictory results if you want, but I couldn't find any myself.
While I cant discount the bad experiences that people of this forum may have had, it really doesn't seem to be the norm as far as LG tv's are concerned.

 

[Alex2507]

There is a bias against LG. I just found something on AVS saying that CR says that Sammy LCDs fail 25% more often than LG do. How LG got that rep, I don't really know but I can tell you I'm never gonna buy a Sammy LCD!

This isn't really an area of interest for me ... yet. Since I don't want to dish out the ching for OLED or 4K, I've been trolling for a used Plasma.

I'm not sure I really trust the surveys. If I was interested in current TVs I'd be checking out PQ reviews and sort of keeping my ear to the ground on the forums for known issues. That's how I ended up with an entry level Panny plasma.

I take it you have an LG that you like and you haven't had any issues surface. Hey, I had an eMachines computer that nobody said would last. It outlasted it's XP operating system. I'm amazed anything with a bazillion solder joints lasts 2 minutes.

 

[3db]

I'm sold on the technology.. view angle equal to plasma but with better black resolution and higher contrast ratios makes this a no brainer.. Just have to wait a decade or so that their prices for a 70" to 80" models are what we have now in the LED market. I rather the OLED technology than the 4K technology.

 

[slipperybidness]

OLED is NOT the answer IMO, since we've heard about it for a long time and it still has issues, but it is the next "buzzword" product that will likely actually go consumer.

I think OLED IS the answer. But.....I have been thinking that for the last ~15 years!!!

When I was a chemistry student, one of my last classes was Polymer Chemistry (it was an undergrad and grad student class). The prof had one of his colleagues come in to class for a couple of guest lectures, and the colleague was focused on OLED research at UT Austin. His presentations were awesome, he convinced me that OLED is the future.

But dang, where is it? I'm ready, but the yield STILL just isn't there.

 

[jcparks]

Yeah Alex I do have an LG... believe it or not I dont have any real brand loyalty to them right now (I'm also not in the TV market). It just confused me about how much they got slammed on this board... especially since they are literally the only company pushing on OLED right now.
That and I was bored and wanted to start some drama...

 

[j_garcia]

Funny because 3 days ago you said this

as well as this

So are you telling me that even though you work in the industry... with a 30 second google search I was able to completely change your opinion on the future out look for OLED??
So far I have seen a lot of negative opinions on LG, but I haven't had anyone here post any sort of articles or surveys or any evidence what so ever that would suggest that LG TV's are in anyway inferior to other manufactures...
I'm just saying

No, what I mean is, OLED is going to happen, but may not necessarily the best technology. It has most certainly made large strides recently because manufacturers are taking interest, but the REASON why some of them are not jumping on it is due to yield. Small screens are easier, like phones and tablets, but large screens the yield goes through the floor. New manufacturing techniques and chemistries will solve some problems, and some will persist. At the end of the day, companies are interested in what makes them profit not what is the best technology.

 

[Rickster71]

There is a bias against LG. I just found something on AVS saying that CR says that Sammy LCDs fail 25% more often than LG do. How LG got that rep, I don't really know but I can tell you I'm never gonna buy a Sammy LCD!

I don't know where AVS got that info.
I have Consumer Reports on line and it says the opposite.
We have a friend that been doing appliance repair for over twenty years. He told us to avoid all LG stuff.
Not made to last and a nightmare to get parts.

 

[Alex2507]

I don't know where AVS got that info.
I have Consumer Reports on line and it says the opposite.
We have a friend that been doing appliance repair for over twenty years. He told us to avoid all LG stuff.
Not made to last and a nightmare to get parts.

I think what happened is that there must have been a model run or two in their LCDs that had an issue, however minor, that threw the stats. In the spirit of making nice I didn't say that Panny was 2% failure rate, LG was 4% and Sammy was 5%. So no matter what I'm not getting a Sammy LCD ... or an LG.

So much for making nice.

 

[Rickster71]

I think what happened is that there must have been a model run or two in their LCDs that had an issue, however minor, that threw the stats. In the spirit of making nice I didn't say that Panny was 2% failure rate, LG was 4% and Sammy was 5%. So no matter what I'm not getting a Sammy LCD ... or an LG.

So much for making nice.

I saw you mentioned you got a TV.
That got me thinking, I would like to find a plasma before they go away.
Showed the chief this: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-60-class-59-9-10-diag--plasma-1080p-smart-3d-hdtv-black/8245278.p?id=1218866284799&skuId=8245278&cmp=RMX&ref=25&loc=SHP&srccode=cii_45538312&cpncode=43-16613979-2
She seems to be interested.

 

[Alex2507]

I saw you mentioned you got a TV.
That got me thinking, I would like to find a plasma before they go away.
Showed the chief this: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-60-class-59-9-10-diag--plasma-1080p-smart-3d-hdtv-black/8245278.p?id=1218866284799&skuId=8245278&cmp=RMX&ref=25&loc=SHP&srccode=cii_45538312&cpncode=43-16613979-2
She seems to be interested.

I knew I shouldn't be talking to you while I have (had) money in my pocket. I am stepping away from the laptop.

I sort of checked on that and it didn't seem to be available anywhere but that 8500 series is like top notch, right?

 

[Rickster71]

I knew I shouldn't be talking to you while I have (had) money in my pocket. I am stepping away from the laptop.

I sort of checked on that and it didn't seem to be available anywhere but that 8500 series is like top notch, right?

To be honest, I haven't looked until you planted that spending seed. (poor choice of words, I'm sure)
I did read yesterday that it was one of the few plasma TVs that was better picture than the Pioneer Kuro. That got me a little more interested.
Usually I can talk myself out of spending...
It didn't help when Doug said he was also looking for a bigger TV.