Why Bi-wiring Makes No Sense.

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  1. Seth=L Audioholic Overlord

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    I own this book about High-End audio purchasing called "The Complete Guide to High-End Audio" Second Edition. I don't know what Robert Harley is smokin' but I think I want some, so long as I am no where were I can buy cables.:D

    Just read this and tell me what you think-

    OK, so far it all appears to be BS, it gets better.:D

    Wait a minute, the amplifier can "see", wow! That is like space age or something isn't it?

    Words/phrases like nearly, reportedly, and no one knows exactly how or why...this works, makes me wonder how reliable this information is. Of course there is also doubt that stems from what I believe to be BS. I will tell you why no one knows, because it is all in the user's mind. If you believe it will sound better bi-wired, then go ahead, so long as you think it sounds better more power to you. Just don't call me when you are broke from buying $500 sets of cables.:rolleyes:

    Again we see the non-absolute terms like "probably". There apparently isn't any solid evidence to support bi-wiring, go figure right?

    He probably uses styrafoam lifters for his cable runs and he probably can't conceal his wires either because the would be way to many.:D

    So that is contradictory, if a cheaper wire is good for the bass but a more expensive one is "sweeter" and sounds better with high frequencies wouldn't the cables have to be different. Well first I would have to believe there was a difference between cables to even question that, so I will let someone with extensive knowledge on how cables "sound" explain that one to me.:D

    I just thought this was interesting to read and to laugh at. Hope you enjoy it as much I have.

    P.S. Sorry for the long post.:)
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  2. dave1490 Audioholic

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    So that is contradictory, if a cheaper wire is good for the bass but a more expensive one is "sweeter" and sounds better with high frequencies wouldn't the cables have to be different. Well first I would have to believe there was a difference between cables to even question that, so I will let someone with extensive knowledge on how cables "sound" explain that one to me.:D

    I just thought this was interesting to read and to laugh at. Hope you enjoy it as much I have.

    P.S. Sorry for the long post.:)[/QUOTE]

    i find heavy copper is a better bass wire.and 20gaw silver wire sounds more crisp for tweeters.i thought about this but the 10%more condutivity of silver would seem to give a phaseing problem.if you use silver alone like i did you,ll notice a loss of bass.
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  3. Seth=L Audioholic Overlord

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    20 awg is very thin wire, are you sure that isn't why the bass when down? It is sort of like a water hose. You try to put to much water into a small hose you get compression.
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    i made interconnect cables but the same is true for speaker wire,but more beefy gaw
  5. Seth=L Audioholic Overlord

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    Do you mean interconnects, that was the 20 awg cables?
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    well their really 4 hot and 4 neg,s 24gaw each wraped in copper for a final gaw of about 20gaw-silver.id like to try heavy copper for bass and thinner silver for the higher frq.seems like the best of both world,s.and yes they are interconnects.
  7. Seth=L Audioholic Overlord

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    Right, are you bi-wiring?
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    bi-wiring is just a word that people use to split the hi and low freq,some use differnt gaw to accomplish this.and no im not bi-wiring.just 10 gaw 413 strand mega flex tube silver plater copper.
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    Robert Harley is an idiot & the only thing his book is good for aside from amusing one's self (or emergency toilet paper :D ) is to use it to decode the terminology used in describing sounds(Audiophile Ebonics).
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    Actually, what you get is pressure. Water is generally considered to be incompressible. ;)
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  11. Seth=L Audioholic Overlord

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    What happens when you force to much water through a hose?:D
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    Pressure increases until something ruptures.

    Bang! :D
  13. Seth=L Audioholic Overlord

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    Why would silver wire, 20 awg, sound different? Is it because it is silver or because it is very thin?:D
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    Pass, though I suspect it's thin to keep the cost of the silver content down.
  15. Seth=L Audioholic Overlord

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    Well at least I know that Bi-Wiring is bogus. I need to research silver wiring.:D
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    When bi-wiring, you take an electrical signal traveling through one wire and split it into two wires 20 feet earlier than you normally would.

    Anyone who thinks this makes a difference knows nothing whatsoever about electricity.
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    My understanding is that bi-wiring is not bogus...when used in conjunction with an active crossover. It's when (in the vast majority of cases) people passively bi-wire their speakers that it makes no difference.
  18. Seth=L Audioholic Overlord

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    Why would that help, I made this argument once before and I got shot down. But I understand why. The speaker's crossover, in most cases isn't over-riden, so it really makes things conceivably worse in reality, unless I am mistaken.
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    Looky here.
  20. Seth=L Audioholic Overlord

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    That is "quad-amping", Bi-wiring makes no sense, bi-amping is perfectly logical. But when you feed a speaker a signal from one amplifier and use two sets of cables (the amplifier "seeing" anything is a far cry from logical:D) that does nothing but raise your cabling costs.

    With a 4 way speaker it does make sense to actively amplify each part with different amp. The x-over in those Nautilus are very sophisticated, I would never over-ride it with some kind of active x-over.:D
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