Yamaha RX-V2400 audiophile review

[jeffsg4mac]

<font color='#000000'>Sometimes I wonder about manuals and the people who write them. They assume that the person buying the equipment should know everything. I mean crap man what if this is a very first purchase for someone who maybe knows nothing at all. They should at least include a new user section explaining all the basics. &nbsp;Anyway that is my rant for the day

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[Rip Van Woofer]

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jeffsg4mac : <font color='#000000'>Sometimes I wonder about manuals and the people who write them. They assume that the person buying the equipment should know everything. I mean crap man what if this is a very first purchase for someone who maybe knows nothing at all. They should at least include a new user section explaining all the basics.  Anyway that is my rant for the day

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<font color='#000000'>There used to be a truism that manuals are written by the most useless employee.

I especially like the ones that are really badly translated from Japanese, the &quot;your base are all belong to us&quot; kind!

Very interesting thread for me since I've yet to make the leap to multichannel.

Oh, if it wasn't mentioned already (I kinda skimmed here for now), the reason you have to use analog I/O to get true SACD/DVD-A sound is because the nimrod music execs and their legal lackeys would soil their undies otherwise for fear of digital copying.

Just wait 'till the revolution, running dogs!</font>

 

[RX-V2400]

<font color='#000000'>So is the consensus still that with my DVD-Audio player I SHOULD be using the 5.1 RCA analog outputs and NOT either the optical or coax digital outputs?

The manual with my player says only digital output gives the full information to the decoder to do its job and I have often been told &quot;the longer the original signal stays digital the better&quot;.

I'm still confused so keep the input coming.

Also Shinerman and Jeffs4mac see my new post &quot;speaker balane and volume levels&quot; as iot relates to my original observation on music quality.</font>

 

[zumbo]

<font color='#000000'>Well it looks like we might need to be reading our DVD manual more closely. I was counting on my receiver manual. OOPS!
Well here goes.

Digital connection (optical or toslink)
Connect an amplifier with Dolby Digital and DTS decoders.
You can also enjoy high quality stereo sound with sampling frequencies of 88.2 and 96 kHz if the material isn't copy protected and the equipment you connect is compatible with the signals. The way this reads in my interpretation is that DVD audio discs are copy protected. So if that is the case, step 2:
Analogue (6CH DISCRETE)connection
Connect an amplifier with multi-channel audio input terminals to enjoy surround sound.
This unit can decode Dolby Digital and DTS and there are no limitations on sampling frequencies with this kind of connection.
TO OBTAIN MAXIMUM PERFORMANCE OF DVD AUDIO MULTI-CHANNEL LINEAR PCM SOUND, THE CONNECTIONS ARE RECOMMENDED.
All of this information straight out of my manual.
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[RX-V2400]

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zumbo : <font color='#000000'>Well it looks like we might need to be reading our DVD manual more closely. I was counting on my receiver manual. OOPS!
Well here goes.

Digital connection (optical or toslink)
Connect an amplifier with Dolby Digital and DTS decoders.
You can also enjoy high quality stereo sound with sampling frequencies of 88.2 and 96 kHz if the material isn't copy protected and the equipment you connect is compatible with the signals. The way this reads in my interpretation is that DVD audio discs are copy protected. So if that is the case, step 2:
Analogue (6CH DISCRETE)connection
Connect an amplifier with multi-channel audio input terminals to enjoy surround sound.
This unit can decode Dolby Digital and DTS and there are no limitations on sampling frequencies with this kind of connection.
TO OBTAIN MAXIMUM PERFORMANCE OF DVD AUDIO MULTI-CHANNEL LINEAR PCM SOUND, THE CONNECTIONS ARE RECOMMENDED.
All of this information straight out of my manual.
Yahama DVD-S840</font>

<font color='#000000'>Well the rx_v2400 IS Dolby Everything and DTS, and THX select as well so it looks like Digital (optical ot toslink) is correct and that is what I have been doing.</font>

 

[zumbo]

<font color='#000000'>NO! The 1400 &amp; 2400 are the same. The 2400 just has more power. Try reading this again.
Digital connection (optical or toslink)
Connect an amplifier with Dolby Digital and DTS decoders.
You can also enjoy high quality stereo sound with sampling frequencies of 88.2 and 96 kHz if the material isn't copy protected and the equipment you connect is compatible with the signals. The way this reads in my interpretation is that DVD audio discs are copy protected. So if that is the case, step 2:
Analogue (6CH DISCRETE)connection
Connect an amplifier with multi-channel audio input terminals to enjoy surround sound.
This unit can decode Dolby Digital and DTS and there are no limitations on sampling frequencies with this kind of connection.
TO OBTAIN MAXIMUM PERFORMANCE OF DVD AUDIO MULTI-CHANNEL LINEAR PCM SOUND, THE CONNECTIONS ARE RECOMMENDED</font>

 

[RX-V2400]

<font color='#000000'>Zumbo: I would still like to ask you to explain further as I am still confused. Now some DVD-A disk are copy protected and that somehow interfears with thedigital out so they can not be copied, but I do not think the music DVD-A's I have are copied becouse I get digital out via the toslink with no problem. You say &quot;TO OBTAIN MAXIMUM PERFORMANCE OF DVD AUDIO MULTI-CHANNEL LINEAR PCM SOUND, THE CONNECTIONS ARE RECOMMENDED&quot; What do you mean by &quot;THE CONNECTIONS&quot;? Do you mean the Analogs? Also why do you quote PCM when my manual says to input with Bitstream? Now I do not pretend to know the difference between PCM and Bitstream so maybe you can help me but that is what it says. Also please see my other post about loosing volume when I re-balanced the speakers.
Cheers,

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[zumbo]

<font color='#000000'>Analogue (6CH DISCRETE)connection
Connect an amplifier with multi-channel audio input terminals to enjoy surround sound.
This unit can decode Dolby Digital and DTS and there are no limitations on sampling frequencies with this kind of connection.
TO OBTAIN MAXIMUM PERFORMANCE OF DVD AUDIO MULTI-CHANNEL LINEAR PCM SOUND, THE CONNECTIONS ARE RECOMMENDED
This is all listed in my manual under Analogue connections. I just put caps on for the part above. The connections it is speaking of is the multi-channel.
Not trying to sound like a smart a##. After reading what I wrote, it kinda looks that way. This thread just got me thinking &amp; so I pulled out the trusty manual, and it seems to plainly say to hook it up this way for maximum performance for DVD-Audio playback. &nbsp;

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[zumbo]

<font color='#000000'>RX-V2400. Check out &quot;Yamaha RX-V2400 Hooked Up Again&quot; thread. This might solve everyones confusion, myself included!</font>

 

[Rip Van Woofer]

<font color='#000000'>RXV;

Know you said you still preferred stereo for music, but have you tried listening to stereo CD's in surround with Dolby Pro Logic II? I've heard elsewhere that it works well -- better than Pro Logic -- &amp; wonder about your opinion.

To keep the Mrs. happy without &quot;putting a sock in it (the port)&quot;, have you considered some sort of low profile caster arrangement, or furniture sliders so you can move the speakers out for listening and then back against the wall afterwards?</font>

 

[jeffsg4mac]

<font color='#000000'>Look let me clarify this for you guy's OK, DVD audio is another format completely different than Dolby digital and DTS. Receivers at this time CAN NOT decode that signal and I do not know of any DVD players that can even stream it out of the digital outputs. If you want to here DVD audio in its 96/24 or 192/24 form you have to let the DVD player decode and then feed the analog signals to your 5.1 input on your receiver. It is just that simple. I dont know of any other way of saying it. I am not trying to be mean just trying to clarify it for you

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[zumbo]

<font color='#000000'>That it what I have been trying to say after I read and posted what my manual said. Thanks for your help.
Now I just need to shell out some more money on the cables, as if I have not spent enough already. Ain't it great!

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[RX-V2400]

<font color='#000000'>Jeffsmac: I hear what you say and I agree it is the DVD player that decodes the DVD-Audio in to discrete channels, but having done that why must it &nbsp;output in analog? My manual is quite clear on digintal for output whenever possible. Anyway I will wire itt hat way tommorow and do a sound test.</font>

 

[jeffsg4mac]

<font color='#000000'>At this time DVD audio and SACD can not be output by digital means. I sure this will change in the future but for now that is the way it is.</font>

 

[Shinerman]

<font color='#000000'>Wow, been away for a few days. &nbsp;It does not appear to be sinking in? &nbsp;

Everyone,

Like jeffsg4mac and I have been saying. &nbsp;Optical handles DTS, PLII, THX, Etc. &nbsp; DVD-A and SACD MUST MUST MUST be hooked up via 5.1 analog connections. &nbsp;There are no exceptions to this. &nbsp;Again, there are no exceptions to this. &nbsp; Yes, you can use Co-Ax and Optical only but you ARE NOT getting DVD-A/SACD sound. &nbsp;You re getting DTS, PLII or whatever sound field you choose. &nbsp;DVD-A and SACD are completely different formats that cannot be played CORRECTLY through a digital path, period.

My setup:

Yamaha 1400 and Panasonic F85 DVD/DVD-A player. &nbsp; Between the two I run one S-Video line, &nbsp;one optical and 6 RCA type analog lines between the 5.1 inputs on the receiver and DVD-A player. &nbsp;

Here some options on hookup. &nbsp;Notice only one option for DVD-A and SACD.

Video: &nbsp; &nbsp;S-Video or Composite.

Digital: &nbsp;(DTS, PLII, concert, etc.) &nbsp;Optical or Co-ax

DVD-A/SACD: &nbsp;5.1 analog &nbsp;(RCA type)


You must have all these. &nbsp;

The manual is a little confusing but TRUST ME, you need all these to get the benefits of DVD-A and SACD. &nbsp;No other options. &nbsp;

Shinerman</font>

 

[Shinerman]

<font color='#000000'>One more thing.....

As you mentioned, optical is your best bet for CD and standard DVD. &nbsp;You will still need this connection to use your receiver's sound fields for these formats. The optical is in addition to the 5.1 hookups for DVD-A. &nbsp;

Not sure if I was clear on that?

Shinerman.</font>

 

[zumbo]

<font color='#000000'>Remember to set to multi-channel input on remote!</font>

 

[RX-V2400]

<font color='#000000'>I have my optical from the DVD player going to DVD inputs and the 5.1 analog going to DVD2 input so I can switch from one to other without needing to set up multi-channel inputs.</font>

 

[zumbo]

<font color='#000000'>WTF? I give up!

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[zumbo]

<font color='#000000'>Can you please tell the model &amp; brand of your DVD player again. I just have to know!</font>