Yamaha - HTR vs RXV

[FLMike]

Went for the HTR

Nomo,
Well, I bit the bullet today and went for the 5790. It's got everything I really need and I got it for $599, free shipping, authorized with warranty. I like the looks of the RX-V1500, but Sound Advice is getting list price because they are so new and I need the equipment because I want it in place in time for Thanksgiving. Hopefully it's a good decision. I'm using the $ I saved towards a new wireless router and Squeezebox to hook up to my music server.

Mike

 

[Nomo]

Apparently the sales guy was in the mood to make a sale yesterday. Perhaps he was dazzled by my charm and stereo savy. Let's stick with the former. I got it at a relatively small chain up here called American TV. May the purists forgive; they also sell furniture and refridgerators, but the price was right. I won't get it until mid next week as they were out of stock. (I think it's coming up from Madison). Glad to here about your purchace Mike, the 5790 also lokks like a great unit. That's a much better price than I've seen for it where I've been looking. It looks like the 5790 and 1500 are internally about the same. (I don't think the 1500 has changed much over the 1400). It would have been a slightly more difficult choice had the 5790 been cheaper for me. I'm still not sure I'll be in love with the flip front door on the 1500/1400 but it does clean the front of it up a bit. I'll keep you guys informed.

 

[ssjadway]

I think it means Yamaha is providing a more reassuring spec on the RX-V series - that the power ratings are specified for the full frequency range (well - sort of - 20-20,000 Hz - the CD range); whereas the HTR series is speciified (measured) for only one point on that range....1000Hz.

But I also thought that the 'lower' models 650 and 750 and so on had nicer cosmetics and a more solid feel to the construction than the so-so looking and feeling RX-V 1400 and 2400. Perhaps the new silver finishes for the 1500 and 2500 will eliminate this.

 

[FLMike]

Actually theyy provide two ratings

ssjadway,
That is correct for the most agressive ratings they give, but in the comparison chart on their site, they also offer a second set of ratings for 20Hz to 20kHz. For the HTR-5790 for instance, they rate it at 140 watts at 1kHz and 110 at the sider range.

Mike

 

[Nomo]

Mike,
How are you liking your 5790? I pick up my 1500 tonight.

 

[jonass]

If you use the "Compare" feature at their website, you'll see that HTR-5760 and RX-V 650 are exactly the same, except for Zone 2 capability in RX-V650. It costs about US$ 20.00 more also.

 

[FLMike]

Nomosony,
It should arrive tomorrow. Won't be able to hook it up until next week though because no power in the room yet.

In the meantime, I'm trying to get the cable company to give me an upgraded digital cable box that has at least an S-Video connection and preferably a component one with digital audio.

After all the conversation and research, I feel really good about going for the HTR vs the RX-V line. Like Jonass just pointed out, the lines are very similar. However, like we talked about earlier-the 650 does not have the full YPAO functionality. That was a deal breaker for me.

Mike

 

[threewheel42]

warranty on internet purchases

I called the ebay store from which the link was posted and asked about warranty as they suggest in their ebay postings. Basically, you are taking the chance that Yamaha will not honor the warranty. The seller offers an extended warranty through a third party company. ...so, you have to ask yourself, do you feel lucky?

 

[Nomo]

I think you can pretty much count on Yamaha not honoring the warranty on the RXV line. The HTR may be a different story as these were introduced, at least in part, for internet sales.

 

[FLMike]

Internet Dealers

ThreeWheel,
Yamaha has a list of authorized internet dealers on their site. Nomo is right that none of the RX-V's are authorized for sale over the net (ergo no warranty if they are). The HTR's come with the full warranty if purchased from an authorized internet dealer and they list several.

Mike

 

[tanglin]

Equivalences...

I've been trying to get a solid idea of RX-V vs. HTR model numbers, some answers in the thread seem to imply one thing, others another.

Could someone please post either an answer, or a link, to the equivalent HTR's to

RX-V 650
RX-V 750 (this is the one I'm considering getting, or at least the one I think I can afford (about $500 max)
RX-V 1400
RX-V 1500 - is this a replacement for the 1400?


Great forum guys!

 

[Nomo]

RXV650 --- HRT 5760
RXV1400 --- HTR 5790
(RXV1500 REPLACES RXV1400)
RXV750 HAS NO HTR EQUIV.

yamaha.com has some pretty nice comparision charts

 

[tanglin]

Wow, fast response. Thanks Nomo!

 

[FLMike]

Tanglin,
As you can tell, Nomo has been looking at this a LOT lately LOL. You can also check the equivalancies yourself (there are some small differences) by going to Yamaha's site and going to the receivers page. There are links to specs on both the HTR and RX-V lines. Click on the "Compare" button for more detail. It will bring up a detailed chart of the entire line (RXV or HTR). However, Yamaha does not offer a side by side comparison of the HTR vs RX-V lines (for obvious reasons). To do that, you will need to leave the first chart open and open a second window and repeat the process for the other line. Then you can put them side by side. Hope that helps.

Mike

 

[Nomo]

Yeah maybe I should get back to having a life beyond reciever shopping. As Mike mentioned the RXV 650 does not have full YPAO, most importantly this means no auto-equalization. Not sure about the 750 but I don't think it does either.(download the manual). I returned my HTR5760 and got a RXV1400 partially for that reason. Other reasons being the learning remote and THX sound. The price difference was about $180. Overall the 750 seems to be a nice compromise between the 650/5760 and 1400/5790. It all depends on your features/dollars priorities.

 

[tanglin]

Thanks guys, it helps. I found the comps and printed them.

I am confused about YPAO, Yamaha do not make distinction in the literature I have as to different types; their site says

"What's YPAO?
(Yamaha Parametric Room Acoustic Optimizer)
Some Yamaha receiver use a parametric equalizer to automatically optimize for room acoustics."

The little flash movie goes on in depth about equalisation. Therefore I would have thought that YPAO was essentially dynamic autoequalisation. From what you're saying this is not the case. I'm interested in the 750, it's about top of my budget and I would like it to have autoequalisation as my room will definately need it!

I guess I'll have to download the 750 and 1400 manuals and look for differences.

 

[FLMike]

750 Handles EQ Settings

Tanglin,
On page 26 of the manual for the 750 it indicates it handles EQ (frequency, level and Q-factor). So you should be ok. The flash presentation confused me as well. What budget are you looking for? I looked at the 750 long and hard and ultimately felt like $599 for the HTR-5790 was a better deal. I'd be interested in your thinking.

Mike

 

[tanglin]

Well, $500 was my real ceiling. I've found the 750 from $415 on the web (I'm wary about warranty though); and the 5790 is still under $500, about $490.

I did not realise until later (until Nomo told me) though that the HTR 5790 was a RX-V1400 shadow. I guess you're happy with yours? Maybe I'll reconsider, part of me is wanting the 'specialist' product versus the 'Best Buy' marketing special, but ultimately it's the specs and the price I guess.

 

[FLMike]

Tanglin,
I saw the same prices you did and decided that the warranty was important. I don't want to be stuck with a $599 doorstop six months from now if there is a major problem.

Keep in mind that even on the HTR line, there are only a few authorized internet dealers listed by Yamaha. I got mine from jr.com. Can't tell you if I am happy yet, because it just arrived today.

But, after reading this thread I am sure I will be. I'm even more confident after reading between the lines of the new article on the front page "Product Managing Receiver Platforms" by a former Yamaha product manager--Same electronics, different packaging and distribution channel, minor feature diff's add up to the ability to get a lot more bang for the buck in the mass market channel in Yamaha's case. But that is not always the situation....look at the deal Nomo was able to get locally for a little more than I paid!

Let us hear what you decide!

Mike

 

[Nomo]

I also looked at the manual for the 750. I'm still not convinced it has full YPAO. If you look at the screen shot of the set-up menu it lists Size, Wiring etc. It lacks a equalization step. Compare it to the 1400/1500 manual. Not sure what they are talking about in the equalization mumbo jumbo but the menu looks the same as what I saw from my 5760 menu.
Anyway, Tanglin, I went you may want to look at the 1400 as an option. I know your limit is $500 but I got my 1500 for $600. You might get lucky. The cosmetic differences btween it and the 5790 are rather substancial but it depends on your taste. These I can guarantee have the full YPAO.