Yamaha - HTR vs RXV

[Unregistered]

"The RX-V series is sold thru A/V Specialists and regional chains (Good Guys, Tweeter, Ultimate, etc). They cannot be sold via the internet, mail or phone."

Whats this i see on e-bay?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=39801&item=5723665266&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

I bought my RX-V540 from these guys last yr and have no regrets..saved alot of cash also!

You may save some cash, but Yamaha products bought from unauthorized dealers have no factory warranty protection. That may not matter, but if a Yamaha ASICS chip fails, for example, your savings will disappear in repair costs. If an unauthorized dealer/servicer repairs it, there's no real way to know if they used genuine Yamaha parts, or parts of the quality Yamaha used originally.

It's always been 'caveat emptor' - Let the buyer beware.

 

[mathu]

I think I read the HTR receivers do not auto calibrate eq settings. I dont have either so correct me if Im wrong.

 

[Stryf3]

Some of the higher end HTR receivers do have YPAO.

 

[Nomo]

I think I read the HTR receivers do not auto calibrate eq settings. I dont have either so correct me if Im wrong.

Some one correct me if I'm wrong but I believe none of the low to mid priced Yamahas, HTR or RXV, auto-calibrate EQ settings. I believe the lowest priced one that does is the RXV1400, which has no HTR class equivalent.
I do have a question about my HTR5760:
My current set-up is full 7.1 with surround back speakers. (No presence speakers at this time.)
Is it possible, if I connect presence speakers, to run them without losing the surround back output?
I do not have an extra set of speakers to try this out. Buying some would not be a major investment but if their addition would cause the loss of my SB output it's simply not worth it.
The manual makes it appear as though I must choose between presence and SB.
Is this correct? Or can I actually get nine channels plus the sub channel?
Can some one help?

 

[FLMike]

Other models Models with YPAO

The HTR-5790 and HTR-5760 have YPAO as well as the RXV-750 and RXV-650.

Mike

 

[Nomo]

YPAO yes. But these only autocheck check speaker size, distance and phase. Not equalizer settings.

 

[FLMike]

YPAO Has an EQ

Nomosony,
I'm far from an expert on this stuff, but I have been doing a ton of research on receivers lately. According to the info on their site, YPAO takes measurements and changes settings automatically to a parametric EQ. The "P" in YPAO stands for Parametric and they have a pretty decent flash presentation that explains what it does. If anyone has info that conflicts with this I'd be interested in knowing, because it might end up being a factor in my purchasing decision.

I do know that Pioneer DOES have different versions of their automatic optimization software, with the lower end having less capability than the higher.

Mike

 

[Nomo]

Mike,
Sorry for the delay, I was watching the Packers put Kerry into the Whitehouse.
All I can tell you for sure is my 5760 does not have graphic eq as one of it's YPAO processes. Is it possible my unit is defective? Maybe, I don't think so. If anyone has this unit and can say different Please chime in here.
I don't think it's parallel RXV model, the 650 is any different. I'm pretty sure you need to get into the higher end RXV models to get this feature. Based on the review of the RXV2400 on this site I know that it is present there. Most likely it is also present on the 1400 model as well.
Personally I'm a bit skeptical of letting a computer judge equalization, but it probably does a better job than my untrained ears could do.
I don't mean to accuse Yamama of false advertising but the flash video on their site is a bit misleading.

 

[FLMike]

No problem with the time on the reply. Great game, huh? Then again, that probably depends on your point of view. I'm interested to hear what other users say too. Cutting through the "fluff" that many makers put on their web-sites can be a real pain. It's a little less important for me now, because I am leaning more towards the Pioneer VSX-1014 rather than the Yamaha. The price and feature set look great. Any experience with it? I'm also looking at the HTR-5760. Would be curious to know how you like yours.

 

[Khellandros66]

Here is the low down, Yamahaluver must have slept through this one LOL.

HTR = Warranty Honored when purchased Online/Retail (BB), and phone

RX-V = Warranted only through specialized dealers.

The RX-V1300 vx HTR5690?? The cosmetic differences are ther yes but look at the back of the recievers closely, the RX-V1300 has the 12v+ triggers and extra Pre-Amp outs, the HTR counterpart doesn't.

The RV-V series also goes through a more difficult Quality Control method such as Hand picked DACS and DSPs or caps etc.

~Bob

 

[Nomo]

I've had my HTR5760 for about a month. Love it so far. Not as pretty as other recievers I've seen like the Onkyo SR602 for example. Have you seriously looked at one of these Mike? It came down to it and the HTR5760/RXV650 for me. Got a better deal on the Yamaha. I don't know much at all about Pioneer, I'm not even sure who sells them here in Wisconsin. Before reading the posts here would have expected them to be in the about the same class as Sony. Apparently that I was wrong.

Hey! Anybody! I posed a question concerning presence speakers a couple of days ago. Does any one have any insight?

 

[FLMike]

No, haven't really looked seriously at the Onkyo line. But I'm more concerned with sound/features than appearance. Power stats seem low in the price range I am shooting for, but I'm open to options.

It's funny you bring up the RX-V650. I've been seriously considering the RX-V750. But after the discussion in this thread, it really seems the distinction between the HTR and RV lines comes down to marketing. So, I'm looking at the 5760($450)/5790 ($599) Yamaha products with a bias toward the extra $200 for the 5790 for the extra power, multi zone, and better up-conversion. This is as opposed to paying a premium for the RX-V nameplate.

As for Pioneer, I got my first Pioneer receiver when I was twelve. I'm 38 now and that same receiver is still the core of my moms stereo and sounds great. I have another one that's ten years old that was cheap when I got it, but is still a great sounding receiver. One of the reasons I am leaning towards the Pioneer is that the receiver is going into a room that is tile, windows, and drywall over block. Needless to say, it's BRIGHT. I may really need the warmth and musicality that people perceive in Pioneer, and that my biased ears hear as well. It makes selecting an amp with auto-calibration a must. I wish I could afford one of the Elites, but this model had many of the same features and I can get it for $399 with a valid warranty.

So, thoughts?

Mike

 

[wilmeland]

http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/HTIB/HTR-5790.htm

http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/RECEIVER/RX-V1400.htm

Look at the Yamaha website (links above). Price is the same for each and these are the sibling models. I looked at both when buying the 1400 8 months ago and thought the features were same based on Yamaha site, but went for the 1400 for several reasons.

-RXV 1400 - it was sold at a dealer where I could actually listen to it with decent speakers and the sales staff sort of knew what they were talking about (Sound Advice). Also, they were willing to negotiate the $799 price to $699.

-HTR 5790 - at Best Buy wasn't even connected to speakers, the sales staff (who don't work on commission), claimed it had 980 watts of power, and by the way,would I be interested in an extended warranty? Also, it was priced at $799 and there was not currently any sale on that model or negotiating to be done, but I could wait and they would probably have a 10% coupon out within a few months. Also, the "bold styling" of the HTR frankly looked a little cheesier to me.

Conclusion was the HTR model may well have the same guts as the RXV, but the way it was marketed left me lacking confidence. Anyone who's looking for serious audio equipment would balk at something at something advertised as 7 x 140 watts @ 1khz (kind of like advertising a car that gets 40mpg when 15 ft. off the bumper of a semi). For someone who can't get to an audio store, this is probably an ok alternative as long as the price is less than retail. The HTR 5790 is definitely one of the best receivers you would find at a chain outlet that sells washers, dryers, TVs and computers.

 

[FLMike]

Wilmeland,
Interesting comments. It's probably a good indicator that Yamahas dual marketing concept for the same components works and that they will get the best of both worlds. They will get the mass market channel and volume through Best Buy and the web, but continue to get a premium from buyers like you that are more comfortable in a specialty/enthusiast store. But they will do it with the same core components, saving cost on mfr and support, and increasing their margins. It's very similar to what the car companies have done by using the same core platform and chasis to support low/mid/high end cars.

I'm not sure which way I'll go on this. I can pick up the 5790 for $599.00 including shipping. I might even cough up the dough for a Pioneer Elite. But I do not want to waste money paying for marketing fluff. My comment on my local Sound Advice store is that they have brought very little knowledge or value to the table so far. They only had one receiver hooked up and the only speakers available to test were outdoor/indoor surrounds! And unfortunately I knew more about the receivers than the sales guy. Considering I am a COMPLETE novice at this, it didn't exactly fill me with confidence LOL.

Mike

 

[Nomo]

I stand corrected. I had the misconception that the HTR5790 and RXV750 were similar recievers. Now that I have checked once again I see I was wrong.
Anyway with my tail between my legs I'll continue:
Without a doubt the HTR 5790 and RXV1400 are superior to the HTR5760 I just purchased. I did check out the 1400 while I was shopping. The extra features were tempting but the price jump from the 5760 and RXV650 models was a sizable one. I had decided to try to stay under $500.00. I probably would have streched that to $600.00 given the right deal. The best price I could get on the RXV1400 was around $650.00. Considering I managed to walk away with my 5760 for $420.00 I simply could not justify to myself the extra $230.00.
Yes, the 1400 has a little more power, better upconversion, THX certification, and as I recall programmable remote. Just to name a few. But the cost difference was there and it was the decision I made.
As far as Best Buy or other chains; I do agree that if some one is looking seriously for stereo equipment or for that matter a vacuum cleaner, these places should not be the only place to look. They do however serve purpose for some one who knows what to look for before they get there. Their prices are competative and because they are non-commision you can somewhat depend on the advice they give, however limited, to be unbiased as far as how much a cut they get out of the deal.
Mike, I am curious to know what your final decision will be. Please let us know. Myself if could have grabbed the HTR5790 or the RXV1400 for $600.00 I think I would have ran with it.

 

[mathu]

The site is very misleading. Download the owners manual for each receiver and it will tell you if it has the auto eq function. Your unit is not defective.

 

[FLMike]

Mathu: You're right. And it's VERY misleading

Mathu,
Wow. You are correct, and it is VERY misleading. I pulled both manuals as you suggested. The 5790 has EQ listed under the auto-setup description, but as you point out the 5760 does not. But they call BOTH feature sets YPAO with no distinction. No-where in their demo on the site do they mention that some receivers have less capabilities in this regard than the other. That is very disappointing. At least Pioneer lists it's auto-setup as three discreet levels and explains the difference between each. Yamaha is making it extremely easy for new buyers to think they are getting more for their money than they actually are. Thanks for pointing me to the right documentation.

Mike

 

[Nomo]

Mike, Mathu,
Well I guess you both sort of inspired me. With only a couple of days left on my 30 day return window, I took back my HTR-5760 today and went shopping again. I went looking to see if I could possibly find a closeout deal on a RXV1400. The store I went to was sold out of them. However I did manage to gt a RXV1500 for $600.00. I couldn't turn it down for that price! Although it was more than I was originally planning to spend I'm hoping it will be a better investment than the 5760. Thanks for helping me get off my complacent butt and get something better.

 

[FLMike]

Good Job!

Nomo,
Good job. I had really been considering the 5760 as well, but this discussion has also convinced me otherwise. I'm leaning towards the HTR-5790 for $599.00 but might give the 1500 a try if I can get a good price on it. My guess is that either one are going to serve my needs pretty well. Where did you pick it up from? Let me know what you think of it after you set it up.

Mike

 

[mathu]

I am also thinking of getting the RX-V1500. How did you get the great price on it ?