Yamaha - HTR vs RXV

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thecoolguy11

Audioholic Intern
I just bought a Yamaha HTR 5760 receiver. While I was on the lookout for a set of speakers, I was told at a couple of local stores that the HTR series was sepcifically designed for the Best Buy's and FutureShop's of the world, and that the RXV series were better than the HTR series. Any information on the difference between the two series will be appreciated? On the Yamaha site itself, the HTR series is classified as "Full featured receivers" and the RXV series is the "Premier line of receivers"
 
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Doesn't the Yamaha site also describe the fact that the only difference is the look of the front panel, the color of the backlighting, and the way the power is rated (htr rated at 1khz, rxv rated full bandwidth)?

I'm pretty sure I read that in their FAQs.
 
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Aliixer

Audioholic
To misguide the consumer

They do this to limit the competition between stores. Change a few small things and put a different front panel on it. Similar to the chevy camaro and the pontiac trans am. Almost the same thing. However The differences seem to favor the rxv... series over the htr. Also they sell the htr via the web and the rxv series is store only.
 
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absame

Audiophyte
The guest above is right -- the yamaha site says there are no differences between the two other than consmetics. Just a marketing tactic.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
thecoolguy11 said:
I just bought a Yamaha HTR 5760 receiver. While I was on the lookout for a set of speakers, I was told at a couple of local stores that the HTR series was sepcifically designed for the Best Buy's and FutureShop's of the world, and that the RXV series were better than the HTR series. Any information on the difference between the two series will be appreciated? On the Yamaha site itself, the HTR series is classified as "Full featured receivers" and the RXV series is the "Premier line of receivers"

Yep, as indicated above, large chain stores can demand a different model number to limit competition and comparison shopping; I guess that is the same ;)

This is not unusual. Try to comparison shop matresses, carpets, and many other consumer lines :confused:
 
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thecoolguy11

Audioholic Intern
Did not understand the most important difference!!!!

As suggested, I visited the Yamaha site. I understood all the cosmetic differences mentioned on the site. But I really could not understand the following lines

"The amplifiers in the HTR and RX-V units are identical but rated differently to comply with the accepted measurement standards of their respective channels of distribution. Both ratings are FTC approved and are designed to handle the dynamics of today's audio and video sources. The RX-V line has the power amplifiers rated from 20-20000 Hz. The HTR line has the power amplifiers rated at 1000 Hz. Both lines can reproduce the full frequency response of 20-20000 Hz."

Does this mean that one is better than the other? Does this mean that 95W per channel in RXV is same as 110W in HTR? Please help
 
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Guest
I'm wondering the same thing

Coolguy,
I have exactly the same question. I have read their statement on this issue sevral times and I can't figure out if there is any genuine difference at all between the two lines from a quality/performance standpoint. I would be interested in some other peoples take on this issue. I don't want to spend a few hundred bucks more for a face plate and the pleasure of shopping at SoundAdvice rather than BestBuy right down the street!

Mike
 
toquemon

toquemon

Full Audioholic
Ask Yamahaluver

thecoolguy11 said:
I just bought a Yamaha HTR 5760 receiver. While I was on the lookout for a set of speakers, I was told at a couple of local stores that the HTR series was sepcifically designed for the Best Buy's and FutureShop's of the world, and that the RXV series were better than the HTR series. Any information on the difference between the two series will be appreciated? On the Yamaha site itself, the HTR series is classified as "Full featured receivers" and the RXV series is the "Premier line of receivers"
Ask directly to yamahaluver, he knows everything about Yamaha.
I have a RXV-1400 and the only difference i see between the HTR and the RXV is the front panel and the volume knob (is not of alluminium)
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
Here is a direct link to the FAQ answer:
http://www.yamaha.com/yec/customer/faqs/av_receivers/faq00.htm

There is a huge marketing decision made by many companies (as stated above) when they release the same product under different identifiers. For example, I work in a commercial company and half our employees think there is some increase in quality using 'commercial grade' products over 'consumer grade'. Then they specific the Sony DVD recorder which is 100% identical to what you see in Best Buy, but has a different model number associated with the commercial side.

It will be interesting to see if the RX-V1500 comes in a HTR box. RS-232 control on a product you get at Best Buy in a receiver? Keep in mind there is no HTR equivalent to the RX-V2X00 series at this time. And no Z series.

Also, if you think the V series looks nicer, then you have the fact that the MSRP of both models is identically priced and cost to dealers may be the same which may offer you some negotiating room on their products depending on which you like more.
 
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Unregistered said:
Not O-town. Ft. Lauderdale. And yes, will ask YL.
oh ok cause we have a sound advice and just down the street is BB

my bad !!
 
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absame

Audiophyte
My understanding is amps are the same. Different ratings are just different ways to rate the amps.
 
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the rxv has powered zone 2 capability and has an aluminum front panel to reduce interference as the htr is plastic
 
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FLMike

Audioholic
Not completely true. Although the 5760 7.1 does not support multi-room, it does have Aluminum panels. The 5790 has both, is THX certified, has more wattage and is only $60.00 more than the RX-V750 locally. I had pretty much decided on the RX-V750 until this discussion began but am reconsidering. It seems there is very little REAL difference technically/at the component level between the two lines.
 
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Power ratings

thecoolguy11 said:
As suggested, I visited the Yamaha site. I understood all the cosmetic differences mentioned on the site. But I really could not understand the following lines

"The amplifiers in the HTR and RX-V units are identical but rated differently to comply with the accepted measurement standards of their respective channels of distribution. Both ratings are FTC approved and are designed to handle the dynamics of today's audio and video sources. The RX-V line has the power amplifiers rated from 20-20000 Hz. The HTR line has the power amplifiers rated at 1000 Hz. Both lines can reproduce the full frequency response of 20-20000 Hz."

Does this mean that one is better than the other? Does this mean that 95W per channel in RXV is same as 110W in HTR? Please help
The short answer is that the power of the amp is the same, but the method the power is rated is different. The lower power rating (95W) is an RMS rating (RMS stands for root-mean squared, a fancy kind of averaging) for the entire range of frequency output, 20Hz - 20,000Hz, roughly equal to what we can hear. The higher number (110W) you referred to is for a single frequency, 1,000Hz which is a midrange. The second method usually results in a 15-25% higher rating as the amp is only driving a single frequency, and one that is very much in the sweet spot of signals that an amp handles. The comparison chart for the HTR line shows both power rating measures.

A couple other things (in case this is new for you) for you to look out for:

- Peak power output ratings: Specs on lower end amps often publish power ratings using a peak rating. Instead a sustainable power output like the RMS methods produce, the amp is measured with shorter burst of say 20 milliseconds at a time. (If the specs don't specify, you can assume it is a peak power rating.)

- THD (total harmonic distortion) - The power rating has a corresponding THD rating. Basically this is just a measure of the noise and interference that the amp is adding / clipping to the signal at a given power output. Acceptable levels are less than 1%, and you'll find most decent receivers below 0.1% THD at their power ratings. I made the mistake of buying a home theater in a box system and only focused on the power output of 65W per channel. Turns out when I learned how to read the specs, that the amp was rated 65W per channel with 10% THD. Yikes! It's safe to say that this power rating was VERY misleading, and in reality would probably be more like 50W (or lower) if it were measured using a tolerance of 0.1% THD.

- Speaker resistance (measured in ohms) - another item to look for is the resistance of the speakers you are driving using your receiver. Power output is inversely proportional to the resistance of the speaker. So, back to my HTIB system with 65W, 10%THD...it was rated for 4 ohm speakers. If I ever wanted to drive 8 ohm speakers (most common), I would now have a 32.5W, 10% THD receiver. Needless to say I bought a more powerful receiver to help my problem.

Good luck! Aaron
 

plhart

Audioholic
Yamaha has always remained strong in the US marketplace because they have protected their primary audio specialist dealer network and the specialist dealer's margin by not opening up too many dealers in any one territory.

When the mass merchants became too hard to ignore Yamaha started selling the same receiver with different model numbers to the big chains who don't mind making less margin. In other words the two types of dealers operate on slightly different business models, % margin vs. unit quantities sold.

In the eighties Yamaha had a big problem with "world market" versions of their receivers which had multiple voltage transformers and usually had not gone through the tough UL approval process. So Yamaha US was often faced with servicing non-US models because of irate customers who got the "deal" price but who had not gone through approved retail channels. And lots of the time Yamaha service couldn't fix these "world market" models properly because they couldn't get the parts!

With the two legitimate dealer channels now in place, Yamaha and both dealer networks can sell more product with legitimate US warranties.

And finally yes, the receiver that touts 95watts 20Hz-20KHz is the same unit that came do 110watts at 1KHz. Re: resale it seems that RXVs will usually go for more the HTR solely because of greater "perceived" value. Oh and maybe that plastic volume knob instead of the one with the aluminum sleeve over plastic. (Actually that sounds sort of suprising. It's usually not worth the headache of carrying another part number unless a particular model is expected to sell gazzillions...
 
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FLMike

Audioholic
PL,
Thanks for the very clear answer to this--both the history and facts. So if you are trying to decide between the two lines, it really does come down to feature set, not component quality in your opinion.

Mike
 
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One Who Knows

There are 2 separate marketing channels that Yamaha uses. The HTR series is sold thru mass merchants (A/V Retailers), and can be purchased via the internet (through authorized dealers), mail order, and phone sales. They are even available directly through Yamaha's on line store. The RX-V series is sold thru A/V Specialists and regional chains (Good Guys, Tweeter, Ultimate, etc). They cannot be sold via the internet, mail or phone. The HTR series stops at the HTR-5790, which is very close to the RX-V1400. Minor differences are found betwen the two, but you would be hard pressed to find them, as they are basically CI features that most consumers would not use. There is no HTR equivalent models for the RX-V2500 and up. The amps are rated differently, as that is the request of the marketing arms of the retailers. The HTR series amps are rated at 1kHz, while the RX-V series is rated from 20-20kHz. But they are identical amps....
 

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