Yamaha DVD 750 vs. Sony CE595

[georgep]

Has anyone compared these changers' SACD audio playback? I cannot demo them in my area and am debating which to get. I am leaning toward the Yamaha as it also plays DVD-A and is also a pretty good DVD player (my current player is a 7 year old Costco special). However, I am worried about the lag between tracks on random play (I am assuming the Sony is faster)? Any thoughts?

George

 

[shokhead]

They reviewed it on here,go to the reviews.

 

[georgep]

Yes I know, thank you. I was looking for more of a comparison, and the review does not really speak to random play with 5 discs (as far as I could tell). Any thoughts?

 

[shokhead]

Unless you like jazz and classical,you need DVD-A also.

 

[Nomo]

I can't seem to find much for specs on the Sony. Most likely the Yamaha will have better DACs for SACD and DVD-A playback.
It appears from the manual as though the Sony has optical output but lacks Digital coax. It also seems to lack a second set of analog outputs, meaning you would be unable to send a signal to both the receiver and television. (At least directly from the player)
All possibly minor points depending on your needs, but I vote for the Yamaha.

Yeah, I know, big surprise coming from me

I have the Yamaha DV-C6770. Identical to the 750 but made for internet, and "big box store" sales.

It is somewhat sluggish, not so much between tracks as at start-up and between discs. IMO a good trade-off for good picture, sound, and reliability.

 

[Nomo]

And yes. It does do 5 disc random play.

 

[georgep]

When you do random play for music how would you compare the lag between tracks on the Yamaha? Is it bearable, and how would it compare to a regular cd changer? And isn't the 6770 the same as the 750?

 

[Nomo]

Just a moment ago realized my mistake. (post edited). Yes, I did mean the 750, sorry.
This is my first multidisc player so I don't have much to gauge the delay against.
It is noticeable. I'll play around a bit tomorrow and give you better idea of the time. I'm playing hooky from work so it should be pretty early.

 

[Nomo]

OK. Some very quick and unscientifically arrived upon numbers.

Lag time to:

Open tray................................9 sec
Load CD..................................9 sec (after opening tray)
Load DVD................................11 sec(" ")
Change songs while in shuffle.....10 sec

On a side note; One of the things I found surprising, and this may be coincidence, is while in shuffle mode the Yamaha takes songs off of the discs in order. What I mean is after playing a song off of disc 1 it picks one from disc 2, then disc 3. And so on.

For me, in reality, these drawbacks are not a big deal.

One thing I should clarify: I did for a short time own an Onkyo DVCP802. It was an refurb which in itself brought problems, but the shuffle mode on that, while faster, was terrible. It played a small portion of the songs while in shuffle mode then stopped.

I certainly don't want to talk you into the Sony, as I feel that it is an inferior product, but the rumors about the sluggishness of the Yamahas are well founded and may not be ideal if shuffle mode is a priority.

As far as who makes a better multi-player....... No clue here.

 

[georgep]

Thanks for the detailed stats - they are very helpful in deciding. So it would seem that this DVD changer takes about twice as long to cycle through its random play mode as a cd-only changer does.

 

[Pyrrho]

Thanks for the detailed stats - they are very helpful in deciding. So it would seem that this DVD changer takes about twice as long to cycle through its random play mode as a cd-only changer does.

Most multi-format changers (probably ALL such changers) take longer than CD only changers because they must determine what kind of disc it is before they can play it. The player must first determine whether it is DVD-A, DVD-V, SACD, CD, or some other format (the DVD-C750 plays things like MP3s and such as well). With a CD only changer, it assumes it is a CD and tries to play it as a CD. So, if random play of CDs is a priority, I recommend buying a CD only changer. If, however, you want to be able to throw other formats into the mix, then you will have to be willing to tolerate a delay. I personally own the Yamaha DVD-C750 and an older Yamaha CD changer. For CD only playback, I use the CD changer, not the DVD-C750. If you already have a CD changer, keep it and use it for CD only playback for random play to shorten the delay between tracks. The DVD-C750 is a very good player, but it has delays, and the setup is not as easy as a player that does not play all of its formats.

 

[georgep]

Nomosony (or anyone else who may know),

Does the Yamaha output simultaneously from the stereo outputs (not down mixed) at the same time as it outputs the multichannel and/or the digital outputs?

Thanks.

 

[Nomo]

I believe it outputs from both 2 channel analogue and digital at the same time.
Not sure what happens while outputting 5.1 analogue but it would seem to make sense that it would do all three at once. (Provided the source is not the Hi-Res portion of a DVD-A or SACD)

 

[georgep]

I have heard that the separate rt and lt channels will output simultaneously with the 6 channel when listening to SACD and DVD-A on the Sony c2000es. I was wondering if you (or anyone) knew for certain that the Yamaha could do this as well?

 

[Nomo]

You lost me.
What are you looking to accomplish? Are you planning to play the sound through the television as well as the reciever?

 

[georgep]

Zone 2 and/or zone 3 at the same time as the main zone.

 

[Nomo]

Sorry, I was confused. It does appear as though my Yamaha will output through the 2 channel and 5.1 analogues simultaniously. While I'm not using the zone 2 and 3 capabilities of my Yamaha receiver, the 2 channel signal which goes to my TV appears, to my ears anyway, to be a downmixed version of the full 5.1 signal. Obviously this won't work for a digital DTS or dolby signal as most if not all receivers will only play analogue through the zones.

Edit: The above was while using the Pink Floyd DSOM SACD. Not the same results when using Porcupine Tree's In Absentia. The player gives the message "No Downmix" while in DVD-A 5.1 Analogue multi mode and the sound coming form the TV is incomplete to say the least. It appears the TV is only getting the front channel signals.

 

[georgep]

Great! Thanks a lot, I really appreciate your help! One last question: I am having some trouble conceptualizing setting up speaker distances relative to the mains (and the lack of SW distance) - how did you deal with this?

Thanks again.

 

[shokhead]

Measure FL to the listening area,FR,SL,SR,C and sub. Measure the distence and put it in the receiver and player.

 

[georgep]

Measure FL to the listening area,FR,SL,SR,C and sub. Measure the distence and put it in the receiver and player.

That would have been my thought and how most speaker management works, but the 750 does not work that way (nor does the 950). You can only put in measurements for centre and the surrounds - not for the fronts or the sub. Yamaha indicates that you set the centre and surrounds in relation to the fronts - and depending on the version, this is entered in feet or miliseconds.

Any other insights.