Yamaha Announces RX-V2600 Receiver with HDMI Upconversion & Scaling!

[mulester7]

This hasn't been a problem in the past with 2500/4600 so I don't suspect it will be now. IF you plan on driving low efficient 4 ohm speakers, simply preamp out to a separate power amp. Any way you look at it, you now have a processor that will pretty much blow the doors off of any separates processor at 3 times its price.

.....Gene, you're saying the processing section of a surround receiver will blow the doors off a seperate processor like a Lexicon or Circle Surround processor?.....

 

[mulester7]

.....it's not a conception with me that receiver manufacturers are lying about the all channels driven thing....to me, it runs right along the same lines that speaker manufacturers claim a frequency range of 20-20K +/- 3db, when that could be an actual of 40-10K considering the +/- 3db makes the claim "legal"....it has been said here, a surround receiver rated at 120x7, at best, pulls current from a single transformer to achieve an actual 77x7 at all channels driven as in 7 channel stereo....could this be related to the +/- 3db concept?....I think so....that's the reason I have never seen a surround receiver as having seven seperate amp sections beyond them being at best "outlets" from a single transformer.....

.....Gentlemen, for the entire 40 years I have been interested and involved in home audio, the rule of thumb that seperate components is a step up from a receiver has always held true, and imo still does, and probably always will....most home audio enthusiasts are more than content with a receiver....I wish I could have been....I sure would have spent less money along the way....but what do I know?....I can't help but suspect it was me being referred to as having no knowledge about home theater, and the only basis I can see would have been that I don't own a surround receiver, a center channel speaker, or an spl meter....oh well, I guess I'll just have to keep crippling on in profound ignorance letting my ears make the decisions......

 

[nowonder]

Sorry for bringing this thread back to the topic... But does anyone have an idea when these things are suppose to hit the shelves?

--nw

 

[gene]

the rule of thumb that seperate components is a step up from a receiver has always held true, and imo still does, and probably always will....

I strongly disagree with this generalization. Receivers are being packed with newer and better technologies at a much lower cost than separates.

For example, there is no separates solution on the market in the same price class as the Denon AVR-5805 that can match its processing power, features, bass management, etc. The amp section in the 5805 is on par with just about any separates 7CH amp in the $2-3k price range. For another $3k, you cannot get a processor in the same league as the 5805.

For lower end receivers, in the $1k range, I still believe they offer a much better value than dedicated pre/pros costing 2x their asking price. Though their amp sections may not be up to most peoples standards, simply mating them with a $2k separate 7CH amp, you have a Separates killer for $3k!

 

[mulester7]

Receivers are being packed with newer and better technologies at a much lower cost than separates.

.....Gene, I like you, I have a GREAT deal of respect for you, and I guess we'll just agree to disagree.....

.....Nowonder, it doesn't matter if 30 posts before mine have taken a thread off-topic....just let me post a comment, and someone usually fires one back saying the thread needs to be returned to the subject....I'm used to it....you have a really good day, and I mean that......

 

[Audioholics]

Sorry for bringing this thread back to the topic... But does anyone have an idea when these things are suppose to hit the shelves?

ROFL - thanks for the subtle hint...

October, according to Yamaha.

 

[azcoyote]

The new RX-V2600 receiver from Yamaha has some insanely cool new features, including:

• 130W x 7
• Full Analogue Video Upconversion to HDMI
• Deinterlacing and Scaling up to 1080i/720p (uses Oplus de-interlacer for 480i to 480p)
• XM-Ready
• THX Select2
• Dedicated Zone Remote Control
• Fully Illuminated Main Zone Remote Control
• Burr Brown 192kHz/24-bit DACs for all channels
• Assignable Amplifiers for bi-amp connection or Zones 2/3
• TBC (time base correction) for Component and HDMI outputs
• 2 in/1 out HDMI interface
• HDMI 1.1 (supports DVD-Audio/DTS/DD)
• 100MHz component video bandwidth
• GUI on-screen display
• 3 coax/4 optical S/PDIF inputs

Needless to say, this is an amazing receiver for $1399 MSRP. If these specs are correct, the video processing alone makes it worth the price of admission and advances it beyond just about any other product currently on the market (we're not aware of anyone else who is upconverting 480i to 720p/1080i via HDMI - let alone in a $1400 receiver).

Next week when we see this product live at CEDIA we'll fill in the gaps - and of course, we'll follow up with a full review.

Hello CLint,

Just thought I would help get us back on topic too... 8)

I have a question regarding this receiver regarding the assignable amps. I am planning a system and I want to use the suggestion made here before of using 3 M-Block 200's from Outlaw Audio for my front sound stage. That leaves my surrounds and presence speakers. Would I actually be able to (or even need to) bi-amp the surrounds so they can keep up with the dedicated amps for the front? If so, does the doubleing of power occur internal in the receiver or do I have to physically connect each speaker to two output channels on the receiver?

Also, from the looks of it, the internals on the 2600 seem significantly higher quality than the already highly regarded 2500. Would you say that is true?

Thanks!
Wiley

 

[mike c]

is this off topic? ...

since the 2600 is coming out, what about the 1600? any news?

 

[Dapper Dan]

Hello CLint,

Just thought I would help get us back on topic too... 8)

I have a question regarding this receiver regarding the assignable amps. I am planning a system and I want to use the suggestion made here before of using 3 M-Block 200's from Outlaw Audio for my front sound stage. That leaves my surrounds and presence speakers. Would I actually be able to (or even need to) bi-amp the surrounds so they can keep up with the dedicated amps for the front? If so, does the doubleing of power occur internal in the receiver or do I have to physically connect each speaker to two output channels on the receiver?

Also, from the looks of it, the internals on the 2600 seem significantly higher quality than the already highly regarded 2500. Would you say that is true?

Thanks!
Wiley

In a similar vain, if we consider Gene's recommendation about using the 2600 as a processor (rather than the 2500) and then couple it up to the Emotiva MPS-1 for the theatre set up, can the assignable 7 amps be configured to drive zone 2 and 3?

Zone 2 being a 5 speaker setup and zone 3 a stereo 2 speaker set up?

Dapper Dan....

 

[Dapper Dan]

Outlaw versus Emotiva

Figure a street price of no more than $1300.00. For the the extremely power hungry, get yourself 3 Outlaw mono amps at $300.00 each for the center and mains. Total cost $2200.00. Unless you must have i link for SACD, this is an unbeatable "high end" set up, for a "low end" price. Life is good!!

How does seven of the mono blocks (currently being offered for the price of six on Outlaws web site) compare to the sound of the Emotiva MPS-1...?

Is the (Outlaw) Class A/B up to 80 watts an improvement over the class H amp of the Emotiva? Once it, the Outlaw kicks into class G, I assume some distortion would be bound to creep into the signal...would this advesely affect the sound or stability of the amplifier? Would a single class amp out perform a dual (multi class Amp)?

Dapper Dan...

 

[Steelheart1948]

Damn good question Dan

How does seven of the mono blocks (currently being offered for the price of six on Outlaws web site) compare to the sound of the Emotiva MPS-1...?

Is the (Outlaw) Class A/B up to 80 watts an improvement over the class H amp of the Emotiva? Once it, the Outlaw kicks into class G, I assume some distortion would be bound to creep into the signal...would this advesely affect the sound or stability of the amplifier? Would a single class amp out perform a dual (multi class Amp)?

Dapper Dan...

I suspect that this is a win,win situation. Perhaps Gene can answer this question.

 

[Jase]

I knew Denon dropped the ball with the 3806 and no video upconversion to HDMI.

Denon Germany have the UK/Euro 3806 listed as now having analogue to HDMI upconversion in the spec sheet. Appears to have been added to it's feature listing (or they've made a mistake on their website!). Hopefully, it's the former.

 

[Duffinator]

Denon Germany have the UK/Euro 3806 listed as now having analogue to HDMI upconversion in the spec sheet. Appears to have been added to it's feature listing (or they've made a mistake on their website!). Hopefully, it's the former.

I'll second that.

 

[Mobius]

Any word if the Yamaha 4600 will get an HDMI conversion update so that it can do the same thing as the 2600 and that is to convert all the signals to HDMI?

 

[Audioholics]

Any word if the Yamaha 4600 will get an HDMI conversion update so that it can do the same thing as the 2600 and that is to convert all the signals to HDMI?

I do not believe this is in the works.

 

[azcoyote]

Having tested the 4600, is it sufficient to drive a set of speakers like the Axiom Epic 80 / EP500 combo? COnfiguration will be 5.1 +2 Presence. Eventually I would want to get outboard amps but I am looking for something to start this system that will be good as a Pre/Pro later.

Thanks,
Wiley

 

[wdwilk]

HDMI down-scaling to rec out

To be sure I understand, the V2600 will up-scale an S-Video input and provide HDMI output? In other words an S-Video input can be output thru HDMI at 720p/1080i.

What about the reverse, down-scaling HDMI input to S-Video output? This to facilitate DVD recording of HD signals albeit at 480 resolution.

 

[Audioholics]

Yes it will upconvert AND scale to 720p/1080i. Not sure about downconversion, but my guess is that it will only downconvert from component.

 

[gene]

no it wont downconvert HDMI to S-Video.

 

[wdwilk]

Down convert to rec out

Copyright pressure is keeping all the DVD recorders from including digital inputs so isn't down-converting to rec out a very significant issue.

I don't see anyone in this forum or others address it. Even without the higher resolution it sure would be nice to be able to record LB format movies and programs. I have the HD Tivo and there is an S-Video out but it requires changing the resolution to 480 and so you cannot view in HD and record at the same time.

Is this not on anyone else's wish list?