>> Yamaha announces newest receiver: RX-V1065 receiver <<

[Lordoftherings]

Here's the latest in Yamaha line up of A/V receivers: The RX-V1065 (List: $995.95)

* http://bitstream.soundandvisionmag.com/blog/2009/07/yamaha-announces-newest-av-receiver.html

Hmm...

 

[croseiv]

Kudos to you for finding that!

 

[cjsiv]

Looks like the 1065 lost a little weight, too. 24.5lbs vs the 883's 26.2 lbs. The 1065 weighs the same as the 775 which is the true replacement for the 663. This is sad. For a grand all you get is a measly 24.5 lbs?

 

[Seth=L]

Mid level receivers are losing value. It's almost not worthwhile to spend your money on mid level when you can get similar power from budget units. Pioneer has a receiver at $200 that can handle multichannel PCM over HDMI. I wouldn't spend twice that to get low grade upscaling. The upscaling on my RX-V3800 isn't even as good as the processing on my Sony LCD. I would assume if you can put down $600 for an AVR that you have something better than a 5 year old Insignia HDTV, so that upconversion only serves as convenience. If you really have nice speakers, tv, sources, and such then you should up to ante and get a really nice receiver or separates if you feel froggy.

The RX-V1065 looks like a joke, and I thought the RX-V883 was a joke. The only upgrades these new Yamaha's are getting are more HDMI inputs, everything else has been cut back.

 

[Kai]

It certainly seems that the way to go is a basic receiver...or pre...that will carry the latest audio codecs with pre's and use a good amp. At least as the codecs/features are added you need only replace the receiver/pre for less money than a higher receiver could cost.
I am not a big fan of the video conversion of the receivers. I prefer to use the tv for the video conversion.

 

[septim]

Mid level receivers are losing value. It's almost not worthwhile to spend your money on mid level when you can get similar power from budget units. Pioneer has a receiver at $200 that can handle multichannel PCM over HDMI. I wouldn't spend twice that to get low grade upscaling. The upscaling on my RX-V3800 isn't even as good as the processing on my Sony LCD. I would assume if you can put down $600 for an AVR that you have something better than a 5 year old Insignia HDTV, so that upconversion only serves as convenience. If you really have nice speakers, tv, sources, and such then you should up to ante and get a really nice receiver or separates if you feel froggy.

The RX-V1065 looks like a joke, and I thought the RX-V883 was a joke. The only upgrades these new Yamaha's are getting are more HDMI inputs, everything else has been cut back.

Yeah I agree it's pretty sad. I think the CNET review of the 663 is a clear example of why this trend may be occuring. They claimed it was the best sounding receiver amongst it's price class but rated it the lowest because it only had two HDMI inputs and no up-scaling. Talk about weird priorities.

 

[Seth=L]

Manufacturers are trying to persuade people that they need to buy a receiver as a hub for their entire system, the fact that it powers speakers is secondary. The market will soon be flooded with budget to mid fi receivers. There are a lot of competitors out there and the big receiver makers are trying to come out with something new every quarter. Onkyo is a great example. They've gone budget and mid-fi receiver crazy. They aren't paying handling the top end AVRs last. By the time they get the top of the lines out they'll be coming out with the new TX-SR608 and below, or worse, TX-NR608.

 

[Lordoftherings]

Manufacturers are trying to persuade people that they need to buy a receiver as a hub for their entire system, the fact that it powers speakers is secondary. The market will soon be flooded with budget to mid fi receivers. There are a lot of competitors out there and the big receiver makers are trying to come out with something new every quarter. Onkyo is a great example. They've gone budget and mid-fi receiver crazy. They aren't paying handling the top end AVRs last. By the time they get the top of the lines out they'll be coming out with the new TX-SR608 and below, or worse, TX-NR608.

Hey, that's a pretty good point you got there Seth=L.

You guys are right, might is well go to the near bottom of receivers or go near the very top, but not between in the middle. Sounds about right, right?
The newest trend of 2009 and up...

 

[ace0001a]

Back in 2003, I picked up a Yamaha RX-V1400. It was my first Yamaha because at the time, I felt it offered the best bang for the buck as a lower mid-line receiver that had much of the bells and whistles from their high end models. If I remember correctly, I think the 1400 is priced similar to what the 1065. They continued this trend for the next couple of years before starting to cut back on the features included in their low mid-line receivers. That line has now evolved into the RX-V1900, but seems to have moved up too in model order. I felt the announcement of the RX-V1065 was a bit of a yawner.

According to Don Lindich, the 2 best mid-line receivers to be had are the Onkyo TX-SR607 and Pioneer VSX-1019:

http://www.soundadviceblog.com/?page_id=1120

I bought 2 more Yamaha receivers after the RX-V1400 (RX-V2500 and RX-V2600 in 2004 and 2005 respectively) and they were all good receivers. I also miss the straight lines of Yamaha and Denon designs of the earlier part of this decade as I'm not really a fan of their new curved front surface designs.

 

[Lordoftherings]

And I just hate the newer Volume and Source Select knobs of the Denons.
My last girl friend was also much better than my new one. With better round curves at the right places and less noisy.
The knobs were also more rounded, with a better grip, not pointed like the last one, where your fingers slipped from them.

 

[3db]

Looks like the 1065 lost a little weight, too. 24.5lbs vs the 883's 26.2 lbs. The 1065 weighs the same as the 775 which is the true replacement for the 663. This is sad. For a grand all you get is a measly 24.5 lbs?

The loss of 2 lbs isn't going to make or break a receiver. I too am skeptical of Yamaha's new receivers, escpaiclly in pthe power de[artment. Lets see what futur audio tests will tell us.

Anyway. some features listed

https://www.forumhifivisual.co.uk/Home_Cinema_Equipment/Amplifiers_and_Receivers/YAMAHA_RX_V1065_ADVANCED_7_1_HD_AV_RECEIVER_RXV_1065_2458.html


From Yamaha USA

http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/Documents/YEC/Home_Theater_Systems/Review/RX-V1065_Press_Release.pdf#lid=RSS_Yamaha RX-V1065 AV Receiver has Superior HD Audio and Video Performance Enhanced User Experience Features&lpos=RSS

The last link does a spec comparison between the RX-V863, RX-V765 and the RX_V1065

http://www.yamaha.com/yec/compare/Detail.html?compitem1=567570&compitem2=5028422&compitem3=5036142&CTID=5000300&VNM=LIVE&B_compare.x=52&B_compare.y=5&comp_items=5036142&comp_items=5028422&comp_items=567570

 

[GlocksRock]

Yamaha is really dropping the ball with their new recievers, this one doesn't even offer assignable digital optical, and digital coaxial inputs. I can see why they would do this, but if I want to connect two devices to the component video inputs, and both devices only have digital optical, I'm out of luck. For a brand new $1000 receiver, this is totally unaceptable. But I'm guessing this is a receiver for those who have pretty much nothing but devices that use HDMI.

 

[bandphan]

Kudos to you for finding that!

and the AH store has been selling it

 

[Lordoftherings]

and the AH store has been selling it

Any good discount? (It should, it weights less.)

 

[3db]

I think Audioholics should do a thorough review on this receiver if they are selling it. Lets see what they have to say about it performance. Liek I indicated in my last link in my previous post, the weight isn't that far off and careful engineering in placement and air flow can dramtatically reduce area and therefore weight of heat sinks. Plastic facia also saves a few oz...

 

[Lordoftherings]

^ +1 Absolutely agree with you 3db.

* I hate plastic front panels, they let distortion going through, and they look cheap and cheesy.

 

[Guiria]

Where the big brand receivers are really getting you is that they are cutting out pre-outs on entry level to early mid-fi equipment. You have to spend several hundred more to get pre-outs compared to receivers a few years ago. Too bad you can't buy an HDMI w/ latest codecs receiver for 300 bucks to use as a pre/pro. You've got to spend 500+ and then by amplifiers...yikes.

That's been my experience.

Lame...

 

[Lordoftherings]

Where the big brand receivers are really getting you is that they are cutting out pre-outs on entry level to early mid-fi equipment. You have to spend several hundred more to get pre-outs compared to receivers a few years ago. Too bad you can't buy an HDMI w/ latest codecs receiver for 300 bucks to use as a pre/pro. You've got to spend 500+ and then by amplifiers...yikes.

That's been my experience.

Lame...

Yeah, but then, how many people do you know, that are using their two or three years old mid-fi receivers with external amps?

Personally, I think that preouts is a useless feature in the vast majority of cases, in particular in the low to mid-fi line of receivers; don't you also think?

And besides missing all the latest features, their preamp section for the preouts is generally not up to it, with low voltage to run any kind of power amps you wish for.

What do you think Guiria?

Regards,
Bob

 

[Guiria]

Yeah, but then, how many people do you know, that are using their two or three years old mid-fi receivers with external amps?

Personally, I think that preouts is a useless feature in the vast majority of cases, in particular in the low to mid-fi line of receivers; don't you also think?

And besides missing all the latest features, their preamp section for the preouts is generally not up to it, with low voltage to run any kind of power amps you wish for.

What do you think Guiria?

Regards,
Bob

I think you are right in that the majority of people will never use pre-outs, but I like to look at it as being open to the unknown future and buying one without closes a door I also consider most people here on the forum beyond the 'majority' but maybe that's a bad assumption...

I guess that puts me in the minority of people since my post originated in wanting to buy something inexpensive to act as a pre-pro and then buying an emotiva 5 channel amp to power my 5 channels.

Before HDMI you could do that for under $900. Not sure you could pull that off now-a-days. What is the incremental cost of adding pre-outs to the RX-V465? If the only difference between said receiver and the RX-V765 is amp section and pre-outs I'd rather buy the cheaper one and get an external amp with a real amp section.

I'm a DIYer as well, I recently built a 4 ohm center channel and will most likely build 4 ohm mains in the future. I need the ability to upgrade amp section if I am overloading my receiver with difficult to drive speakers. Again DIYer = minority.

To answer your question, I don't know anyone using a few years old receiver with external amplification. I may be soon but I also might just end up upgrading my receiver In fact I don't know anyone outside of audio forums, and systems I've helped pick for family that has anything more than a HTIB ...I've got the wrong circle of friends.

 

[Lordoftherings]

Yep, that's it; why pay for something that you won't use?

It's like a car; I don't need power seats, but it comes with it. So that must be a good thing, right? ...Not. It's a waste of money.

If I have my say, I will design my own receiver, with only the features I want,
and I intend to use, no more no less.
That would be awesome! Isn't it? Oh yeah!

Cheers,
Bob