Worst Period In Rock/Pop Music History???

zipper · Feb 26, 2004

<font color='#000000'>OK Jeff,I'll come clean.I just bought the Bee Gees best of CD a couple months ago. Also,don't know if you've ever seen any of the Cirque du Soleil shows,but the Saltimbanco show had some great musicians, which are in view during the show,& I highly recommend demoing the CD(I have it) along with the Varakai shows' music. If you ever get the chance to see any of their shows I'd do it. It's unlike anything else.</font>

A. Vivaldi · Feb 26, 2004

<font color='#000000'><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Sadly the record companies and radio stations are in cahoots like never before and make no pretense about creating stars instead of discovering them. Most radio is a wasteland.</td></tr></table>   I totally agree. The radio in the USA is appallingly bad, and I rarely ever listen to it. Their forcing down peoples throats what they and the other media outlets think they ought to hear. It's almost like a conspiracy. Keep repeating the same few songs over and over and over... and you drive people mad and incite violence.    

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A. Vivaldi · Feb 26, 2004

jeffsg4mac : Bob Who's Savatage? a metal band, I never heard of them. I'm not a big metal fan, but I like some stuff. Have you heard Manowar's warriors of the world CD, I like a lot of the songs on that. Some metal I have heard I detest, It has to be melodic, non satanic, and non screaming before I will like it.

I can't believe what passes for metal nowadays. I was at a friends house who has digital cable and was listening to the "metal" channel. What a joke. There were all these bands that kept coming on, I never heard of any of them, and all of them had some whiney moron screaming and shrieking at the top of his lungs. The music was also repugnent. Years ago, musicians used to be required to have some talent before they were signed or aired. Recording time in a professional studio was expensive, and your average loser didn't get to see the inside of one. Nowadays recording technology has become so cheap and common any group of bozos can make a half way decent sounding record, and we are thus flooded with oceans of garbage to wade through. My solution? I'd make it a law to require background checks and waiting periods for anyone wanting to purchase recording equipment, just like handguns. "Sorry sir, I can't sell you that Sony Dat recorder." "We've had reports that you suck a lot."

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A. Vivaldi · Feb 26, 2004

Rob Babcock : <font color='#000000'>Yeah, this is sorta the New Dark Ages of music. But to make too many sweeping "era generalizations" would be to miss the boat; sure, we have Eminem & Britney, but we also have Flaming Lips, Built To Spill & Beck, among others. Whlie there's an awful lot of crap, there's also a lot of good stuff now.

But, if you're talking the music that dominates the charts, then yeah- this is about as bad a time as it gets. Rap/Crap music has had about 14.99 minutes of its 15 minutes of fame, as far as I'm concerned.</font>

<font color='#000000'>Isn't it funny what the term "pop" has turned into? Pop is supposed to mean whatever is popular, and back in the 60's and 70's bands like The Beatles, Led Zepplin etc. would've been considered pop. Now however this rap/hip hop crud has been around for so long the term "pop" is synonymous with that kind of stuff!  The media makes this stuff seem omnipresent, but it's only a small fraction of the music in the world, but the masses, with their standards ever lowering, gobble it up. I can't believe how bad some stuff is on the radio I'm sometimes forced to hear. Some bands on the alternative station would've been booed off the stage a mere ten years ago, even by teenagers. The rap stuff I hear doesn't even have coherent rhythms anymore, they don't gel together with the weird non-musical noises and idiot's babbling nonsense (not rapping). Some would say that my ramblings are of an older person, out of touch with today's youth and music scene, and that nothings really changed. That's true to an extent, but I'm only 31, and I've been waiting for things to get better since I was 21, and I doubt any old fuddy-duddy back in the early 60's who hated the awful sounding Beatles with their long hair, would've judged the likes of Ludicrus as the same. The only regrets I have was not realizing how much better some of the music was at the time I was growing up, which I ripped on then but like now. God only knew what my ears would be in store for later on!</font>

jeffsg4mac · Feb 26, 2004

zipper : <font color='#000000'>OK Jeff,I'll come clean.I just bought the Bee Gees best of CD a couple months ago.</font>

<font color='#000000'>LOL

 I think a lot more people like the BeeGee's then will admit. They are/were a talented group of guys.</font>

Guest · Feb 26, 2004

<font color='#000000'>OK I'll admit some of  those later seventies Califrnia style bands were better than I had admitted at the time (although I will always hate the Eagles) but the whatever talent the BeeGees had was overwhelmed by their excrable material.

I miss the days when radio DJs could lead the listeners into unknown but wonderful territory. The present state gives the audience what they want but the audience don' t know better!</font>

Rob Babcock · Feb 26, 2004

<font color='#8D38C9'>Of course, when Britney sucks a lot, that may not be a bad thing!

  Sorry, couldn't resist.

There really are very few real metal bands around nowadays, and the few there are older bands & bands made up of older bands.  The "nu-metal" and rap/metal crap is not fit to be called metal at all.

I think they should all be fed to Gwar & Piledriver!</font>

A. Vivaldi · Feb 27, 2004

jeffsg4mac : <font color='#000000'><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td>Quote (zipper @ Feb. 26 2004,1:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">OK Jeff,I'll come clean.I just bought the Bee Gees best of CD a couple months ago.

LOL

I think a lot more people like the BeeGee's then will admit. They are/were a talented group of guys.</font></td></tr></table>
<font color='#000000'>I thought The Bee Gees first album was fairly good, and highly underrated, even if it was a rip off of The Beatles and the psychadelic movement at the time. Nobody seems to remember their early albums: Odessa, Trafalgar, etc. I have a psychological fondness for some of their later disco period stuff, only because I remember hearing it when I was very young, but from a musical standpoint it was pretty lame.</font>

Audioholics · Feb 27, 2004

<font color='#000080'>Going along with zumbo... 2 words: Glam Rock</font>

A. Vivaldi · Feb 27, 2004

Rob Babcock : <font color='#000000'>Of course, when Britney sucks a lot, that may not be a bad thing!

Sorry, couldn't resist.</font>

<font color='#000000'>I was waiting for someone to say something like that!

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MerlinMacuser · Mar 17, 2004

<font color='#000000'>Please, please everyone. Let's get our facts straight. Bob Dylan invented Rap music with the Subterreanean Homesick Blues.

Johnny's in the basement mixin' up some medicine
I'm on the pavement thinkin' 'bout the goverment....
...the pump don't work cause the vandals stole the handle.</font>

annunaki · Mar 18, 2004

<font color='#000000'>The thing that disappoints me the most about modern music, (this includes nearly all generes) is poor recording practices. The lack of dynamic range and overamplified signals is very disturbing. Very few of the current acts offer a well recorded album, meaning one with a crest factor (db) in the mid teens or higher. Producers are compressing the hell out of music in order to have a "louder" album than the next wanna be artist. There are actually very few "artists" like was stated earlier. Every idiot with a computer and a digital "beat box" is putting out an album now days.

What ever happened to putting a good degree of investment into mastering and studio time to convey the "feel" or "passion" of the artist's work. With a lack of artists there are few to keep the art form alive.</font>

Rip Van Woofer · Mar 18, 2004

MerlinMacuser : Please, please everyone. Let's get our facts straight. Bob Dylan invented Rap music with the Subterreanean Homesick Blues.

Johnny's in the basement mixin' up some medicine
I'm on the pavement thinkin' 'bout the goverment....
...the pump don't work cause the vandals stole the handle.

Wrong. Gilbert and Sullivan invented rap with their "patter songs" like "The Major General's Song"!

As much as I think rap is tiresome, some of the early, more political and lighthearted rappers (like Grand Master Flash and Tone Loc, respectively) were pretty good based on the admittedly limited sample I have overheard. And I was once recently encamped next to a bunch of crazy Canadian kids on a fishing trip in Ontario and, God help me, I even thought some of the Eminem they were playing was kind of witty and sharp at times. Might have just been the fatigue and liquor, though (I joined 'em rather than try to beat 'em and didn't get much sleep. I think they temporarly adopted me as a sort of friendly uncle.). Quasi-spoken poetry over music has a long history in many cultures and genres and is not necessarily crap.

But hey, I'm just a middle-aged suburban white guy.</font>

MerlinMacuser · Mar 18, 2004

<font color='#000000'>I'm not sure they (Gilbert & Sullivan) count, being English and all, like that there.

Have you seen those prints/posters trying to show the evolution of rock or blues or whatever genre' in the general shape of a tree with various artists names on roots and branches? I wonder if anyone has tried to do one with HipHop yet?

Really though, I've been listening to the new Dylan remasters on SACD and being impressed with his artistry all over again. I used to patter around with guitar a bit and even made myself a harmonica holder out of a bent coat hanger. I played lots of gigs and even made a little money knowing how to look cool and strum some chords.

I was invited to play at a mother/daughter banquet in a Methodist church in ~1967 at the height of the war. So, I sang some Peter, Paul and Mary stuff then Dylan's Ballad of a Thin Man, It Ain't Me Babe and Positively 4th Street. The daughters were really digging it but the mothers were glaring at me. I had been so focused on learning these songs that I hadn't really listened to the words UNTIL THAT VERY MOMENT. GASP! So to save the day I quickly sequed into Frank Sinatra's  Strangers in the Night and It was a Very Good Year.

So glad I didn't do Masters of War or the Lonesome Death of Mattie Carroll...or even some Phil Ochs!

Got to say that Bob's songs were a very good thing for a healthy young teenager to know in those halcyon days.
 

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Rip Van Woofer · Mar 22, 2004

MerlinMacuser : <font color='#000000'>I was invited to play at a mother/daughter banquet in a Methodist church in ~1967 at the height of the war. So, I sang some Peter, Paul and Mary stuff then Dylan's Ballad of a Thin Man, It Ain't Me Babe and Positively 4th Street. The daughters were really digging it but the mothers were glaring at me. I had been so focused on learning these songs that I hadn't really listened to the words UNTIL THAT VERY MOMENT. GASP! So to save the day I quickly sequed into Frank Sinatra's Strangers in the Night and It was a Very Good Year.

So glad I didn't do Masters of War or the Lonesome Death of Mattie Carroll...or even some Phil Ochs!

Got to say that Bob's songs were a very good thing for a healthy young teenager to know in those halcyon days.

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rorythedog · Mar 23, 2004

Rip Van Woofer : <table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td>Quote (MerlinMacuser @ Mar. 17 2004,2:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Please, please everyone. Let's get our facts straight. Bob Dylan invented Rap music with the Subterreanean Homesick Blues.

Johnny's in the basement mixin' up some medicine
I'm on the pavement thinkin' 'bout the goverment....
...the pump don't work cause the vandals stole the handle.

Wrong. Gilbert and Sullivan invented rap with their "patter songs" like "The Major General's Song"!

As much as I think rap is tiresome, some of the early, more political and lighthearted rappers (like Grand Master Flash and Tone Loc, respectively) were pretty good based on the admittedly limited sample I have overheard. And I was once recently encamped next to a bunch of crazy Canadian kids on a fishing trip in Ontario and, God help me, I even thought some of the Eminem they were playing was kind of witty and sharp at times. Might have just been the fatigue and liquor, though (I joined 'em rather than try to beat 'em and didn't get much sleep. I think they temporarly adopted me as a sort of friendly uncle.). Quasi-spoken poetry over music has a long history in many cultures and genres and is not necessarily crap.

But hey, I'm just a middle-aged suburban white guy.</td></tr></table>
I had a similar experience back in 2000. My wife and I were working in Algonquin Park, Ontario. All the staff lived in individual huts. Having been in the country for two months by then, my own personal stash had run out long before. I was on a mission.

I eventually managed to meet "the man". In his hut he was playing this strange, never heard before, rap music. Nothing like this had ever before been heard in Scotland, that's for sure.

Anyway, my paranoid waryness soon turned to awe. We were listening to Eminem. On a ghettoblaster! The mix was unbelievably intricate (although I'm sure the weed played a not inconsiderable part in my seemingly enhanced aural capabilities). I now have lots of that type of music. It made a lasting impression.

Unfortunately, in this day and age, everything has a predetermined (re-short) lifespan. The marketing men now control the minds of teenagers and they feel they have to keep the wheel turning. Because it's like a wheel, if you live long enough, you'll hear the same things coming around.

If the likes of Bob Dylan, Led Zep or The Stones were to debut in this day and age, they'd be gone in a few months. At least you could rest assured that it would be back in a couple of months.

On a lighter note, do all Canadian teenagers smoke weed?</font>

Rip Van Woofer · Mar 23, 2004

<font color='#000000'><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">On a lighter note, do all Canadian teenagers smoke weed?
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This bunch sure did. Canada seems to have a more casual official stance towards marijuana use, if not growing and supplying, than we do here in the U.S. O, Canada!</font>

rorythedog · Mar 23, 2004

Rip Van Woofer : <font color='#000000'><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">On a lighter note, do all Canadian teenagers smoke weed?

This bunch sure did. Canada seems to have a more casual official stance towards marijuana use, if not growing and supplying, than we do here in the U.S. O, Canada!</font></td></tr></table>
<font color='#000000'>Canada has a more casual stance towards almost everything than the US</font>

Rob Babcock · Mar 23, 2004

<font color='#8D38C9'>Except gun control!

  Man, what a bunch of Nazis.  The Govt, I mean- the Canadian people I know are pretty nice.

BTW, I dunno who invented rap "music," but they deserve to have the crap beat out of 'em!

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A. Vivaldi · Mar 24, 2004

Rob Babcock : <font color='#000000'>Except gun control!

Man, what a bunch of Nazis. The Govt, I mean- the Canadian people I know are pretty nice.

BTW, I dunno who invented rap "music," but they deserve to have the crap beat out of 'em!

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<font color='#000000'>I think Crap musak had it's not so humble beginnings back in the early 80's during the break dance craze, and it's evolved little since, except to get a hell of a lot more annoying.</font>

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