Wondering if this is any indication of where Yamaha is headed

TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
I believe so. I would guess it is lack of demand there.
I think there is going to be lack of demand all round. The glory days of home audio in the 70s and 80s are long gone from the "rear view mirror." I think the industry making multichannel surround audio the standard was a big mistake. Even with AV making high value two channel audio high quality AND affordable would have been a far better bet.

This almost forcing of multi channel audio has come up hard against total system cost and above all, interior design practicality. The other issue has been rapid obsolescence and reliability. The latter caused be high complexity units built down to a price. This whole debacle has been a huge mistake on the part of the audio and AV industry at large.

Now Trump has come on the scene with his totally daft and onerous tariffs, the coffin of home AV will become firmly nailed down for the foreseeable future.

So, my advice is to look after your gear very, very carefully.
 
little wing

little wing

Audioholic General
I think there is going to be lack of demand all round. The glory days of home audio in the 70s and 80s are long gone from the "rear view mirror." I think the industry making multichannel surround audio the standard was a big mistake. Even with AV making high value two channel audio high quality AND affordable would have been a far better bet.

This almost forcing of multi channel audio has come up hard against total system cost and above all, interior design practicality. The other issue has been rapid obsolescence and reliability. The latter caused be high complexity units built down to a price. This whole debacle has been a huge mistake on the part of the audio and AV industry at large.

Now Trump has come on the scene with his totally daft and onerous tariffs, the coffin of home AV will become firmly nailed down for the foreseeable future.

So, my advice is to look after your gear very, very carefully.
I would agree. I have a simple 5.1 set-up, and due to cost and room constraints that's probably as far as I'll go. I toyed with the idea of another subwoofer, but I don't really have a good space to install a second sub. And as far as these tariffs go, just SMH... I paid $900 for a Rythmik sub about 5 years ago. Two weeks ago, that same sub was going for almost 1.5k! Now, I look at the web-site, and it's not even available right now, and the price says "TBD". So yeah, I'm treating my humble system with kid gloves, because replacing my AVR is going to run me at least 2.5k, when the time comes.
 
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Teetertotter?

Teetertotter?

Audioholic Chief
There just isn't any buzz by the speaker and AVR folks, towards the general public, about HT. Advertising is NILL, accept audio related Magazines. Goes back to the HAVE vs HAVE NOTS? HT is a luxury item. Perhaps people today are more into TV's and Cell Phones? Perhaps a sound bar is a more affordable accessory?
 
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dlaloum

Senior Audioholic
Back at the start of HT.... when Fosgate released his first Dolby Surround processor... the surround was a single channel, 15W to 25W was deemed ample, and one or two repurposed car speakers was deemed adequate!!

Then we went from the sublime to the ridiculous!!

A 4.0 setup with a good pair of front speakers, and a compact bookshelf or satellite pair at the rear, is quite capable of providing excellent HT performance... with the right choice of gear and setup, 95% of the available performance is there with this simplest HT setup.

The rear does not need to have deep bass or high highs... if it covers the 150Hz to 10kHz range then you have captured 99% of what should be in the surround channels.

Where most people wanted a model T ford, capable of taking the family for a drive down the road, the HT fraternity went down the path of trying to supply the average punter with a mid engined supercar.... yeah that was never going to fly! (and it never did!)

Today we have soundbars using direct/reflected sound to provide an adequate impression of surround and height, these can be further improved with compact satellite surrounds... and for minimal outlay, the average buyer can have a home theatre experience.

Yeah I've added height speakers to my setup.... for most material we stream, or play from our NAS (ripped all our DVD's and BD's long ago) - there is little or no difference with the addition of height... the occasional Atmos track from Netflix has something happening there....

I'm running 5.1.4, but there is very little improvement over my previous (2008) 4.0 setup.

And soundbars have improved out of sight from where they were 10 years ago.... I organised a soundbar for my 87yo mother.... it improved sound from her TV substantially, and more was not needed.

HT is and was a niche, going all the way back to its birth .... Briefly (and erroneously) a bunch of companies tried to mainstream it.... but I think we are heading back to a relatively normal status.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
I think it's just a generational thing largely. Economics to an extent of course as well.
 
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