Woe: HDMI, a BDP-83 & Pio 141FD. Help please!

[myaudiocd]

Reading the HDMI threads here, I see there's considerable expertise. I hope someone can help me, and thanks in advance for your consideration.
Here's my trouble:
I've got an Emotiva LMC-1 pre/pro with the HDMI switcher. The two inputs are a PVR sat box and an Oppo BDP-83 and the single output goes to HDMI input 5 of the Pio 141FD. For a few months, all has worked great. I installed the multi-region kit from crtprojectors into the BDP-83 before Christmas, and its also worked great.
Everything is plugged in through surge suppression but not line conditioners. I have a Harmony remote, but also frequently just use the unit's remote.

Recently, the power was interrupted at the outlet for the TV while it was in stand-by(not at the 83 though). I believe the last thing used before the power went out was the BDP-83, but it, like everything, was in stand-by mode too. When the power at the TV was restored, all was just fine except that the Pio would not recognize the signal from the BDP-83.
I've read everything and tried everything I can think of to no avail. Here's what I've tried:

I've tried every setting I can get to on both units. I've restored all settings to default, too. No signal.
I connected the BDP-83 through the sat box input on the switcher, no signal.
I took the sat box and the switcher out of the chain. I went direct from the BDP-83 to the Pio 141. No signal.
I hooked the BDP-83 directly to all the other hdmi inputs on the 141, still no signal.
I've tried different hdmi cables, both through the switcher and direct. In every case, the cables, the TV, the sat box and/or switcher works fine but still no signal input from the BDP-83.
I hooked the BDP-83 to another TV through hdmi and component and the BDP-83 worked perfectly.
I've removed the multi-region kit and restored it back to the original, and the BDP-83 works fine either way on the alternate TV. No signal to the 141 in either case.
I've updated the firmware and worked with Oppo.
My Oppo 980 works just fine through the hdmi switch to the Pio 141.
So.....Pio 141= good. BDP-83= Good. Multi-region= good. Cables= good. HDMI switch= good.

It appears that everything is working fine except the HDMI handshake between the BDP-83 and the Pio 141. The HDMI light on the BDP-83 flashes slightly every second or so when it's hooked to the Pio, but it's a steady light when it's working on the alternate TV. So it makes me think it's a handshake issue on the Pio 141FD side and I don't know how to resolve it.

That's the only thing I can think of anyway. Does anyone have any suggestions?
Appreciate your thoughts and advice.
Mike.

 

[j_garcia]

If Oppo can't help you, then I don't know who can. It definitely sounds like a handshake issue though. Have you contacted Pioneer?

 

[TLS Guy]

Reading the HDMI threads here, I see there's considerable expertise. I hope someone can help me, and thanks in advance for your consideration.
Here's my trouble:
I've got an Emotiva LMC-1 pre/pro with the HDMI switcher. The two inputs are a PVR sat box and an Oppo BDP-83 and the single output goes to HDMI input 5 of the Pio 141FD. For a few months, all has worked great. I installed the multi-region kit from crtprojectors into the BDP-83 before Christmas, and its also worked great.
Everything is plugged in through surge suppression but not line conditioners. I have a Harmony remote, but also frequently just use the unit's remote.

Recently, the power was interrupted at the outlet for the TV while it was in stand-by(not at the 83 though). I believe the last thing used before the power went out was the BDP-83, but it, like everything, was in stand-by mode too. When the power at the TV was restored, all was just fine except that the Pio would not recognize the signal from the BDP-83.
I've read everything and tried everything I can think of to no avail. Here's what I've tried:

I've tried every setting I can get to on both units. I've restored all settings to default, too. No signal.
I connected the BDP-83 through the sat box input on the switcher, no signal.
I took the sat box and the switcher out of the chain. I went direct from the BDP-83 to the Pio 141. No signal.
I hooked the BDP-83 directly to all the other hdmi inputs on the 141, still no signal.
I've tried different hdmi cables, both through the switcher and direct. In every case, the cables, the TV, the sat box and/or switcher works fine but still no signal input from the BDP-83.
I hooked the BDP-83 to another TV through hdmi and component and the BDP-83 worked perfectly.
I've removed the multi-region kit and restored it back to the original, and the BDP-83 works fine either way on the alternate TV. No signal to the 141 in either case.
I've updated the firmware and worked with Oppo.
My Oppo 980 works just fine through the hdmi switch to the Pio 141.
So.....Pio 141= good. BDP-83= Good. Multi-region= good. Cables= good. HDMI switch= good.

It appears that everything is working fine except the HDMI handshake between the BDP-83 and the Pio 141. The HDMI light on the BDP-83 flashes slightly every second or so when it's hooked to the Pio, but it's a steady light when it's working on the alternate TV. So it makes me think it's a handshake issue on the Pio 141FD side and I don't know how to resolve it.

That's the only thing I can think of anyway. Does anyone have any suggestions?
Appreciate your thoughts and advice.
Mike.

Thank you for such a detailed post of your problem. We so rarly get this right off the bat.

I think everything points to there being a problem with your receiver or the Oppo BD 83.

Your Oppo BD 83 is the most recent unit, and will require the most sophisticated repeater architecture.

You can tell if it is the Oppo BD-83 or the receiver.

Connect your Oppo to the switcher and then the TV, if it works it is your receiver, of it does not it is the Oppo player. The reason you need to do this is that the switcher and receiver output HDMI and must have repeater architecture. The TV being an end device is not required to have it. So that is how I know that the repeater architecture circuit in either the Oppo or receiver has been taken down by the power glitch.

I suspect that the power glitch has damaged the HDMI board in either the receiver or the Oppo player and one or other will need service.

Now I'm a broken record on this, but your problem was preventable.

Modern micro processors circuits are very fragile and getting worse by the month due to complexity.

Everybody using this type of equipment needs whole house surge suppression, not miserable plug in bars.

The next item required is a fast acting smart UPS, like those made by APC, to power your equipment. These units provide support for increased and low voltage events, even of long duration, and power your equipment in outages lasting up to 15 minutes or so, and in longer outages power your equipment down softly.

My guess that lack of these two items probably accounts for 75% or more of equipment faults. It is cheap insurance and should be in everyone's system budget, but it seldom is.

 

[j_garcia]

Connect your Oppo to the switcher and then the TV, if it works it is your receiver, of it does not it is the Oppo player. The reason you need to do this is that the switcher and receiver output HDMI and must have repeater architecture. The TV being an end device is not required to have it. So that is how I know that the repeater architecture circuit in either the Oppo or receiver has been taken down by the power glitch.

He already connected the 83 direct to the TV and it still doesn't work, so that eliminates the switch box, and the fact that the 83 works with another TV also eliminates the 83 as being the problem.

I had something similar happen with my PS3 and through my HDMI switch to the TV. I unplugged the HDMI cable from the PS3 to the switch and replugged it in while everything was on and it corrected it for some reason.

 

[myaudiocd]

Thanks gentlemen. I'll take both your advice: first, get a UPS and better line protection. You are right, it's crazy to NOT have this.
The power glitch was just to the 141, not the other equipment. The breaker was simply turned off by the renovator's helper, then back on again a few hours later. It was in stand by.

Secondly, I'll take a shot at connecting while the 83 and 141 are both running.
I've got a call and email into Pioneer, but they're kinda slow on responding. Oppo was right on it, even last Sunday when I reported it.

Yes, the 83 works fine with another TV. 2 other TV's in fact.
No, it won't work with the 141 whether thru the switch or connected direct.

The receiver & switch work fine, just as before, with the sat box and an Oppo 980 as inputs. So I doubt it's either of them.

With input priority enabled on the TV, and the 83 via hdmi hooked to it's own input, the TV switches to that input when I turn on the 83 so it's sending something, but then the TV says No Input Signal Detected. And as I said, the HDMI light on the 83 flashes, like it's sending a signal but nobody's home.
aarrgghh.

 

[TLS Guy]

He already connected the 83 direct to the TV and it still doesn't work, so that eliminates the switch box, and the fact that the 83 works with another TV also eliminates the 83 as being the problem.

I had something similar happen with my PS3 and through my HDMI switch to the TV. I unplugged the HDMI cable from the PS3 to the switch and replugged it in while everything was on and it corrected it for some reason.[/QUOT

I should have brought up the specs of that Emo unit. I see it has no HDMI, and so the switcher is switching the peripherals. It works with direct connection to a TV because a TV only makes an initial handshake. I don't understand why the Pioneer will not make an initial handshake with the other devices but not the Oppo. I guess it does point to the TV, which is really odd.

 

[myaudiocd]

I should have brought up the specs of that Emo unit. I see it has no HDMI, and so the switcher is switching the peripherals.
my bad, I've should have given a link
It works with direct connection to a TV because a TV only makes an initial handshake.

I don't understand why the Pioneer will make an initial handshake with the other devices but not the Oppo. I guess it does point to the TV, which is really odd. yes it is. i guess if it was easy, it'd be called analog.