Will adding an old Mcintosh Power Amp to my Onkyo AVR enhance stereo sound

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henkeli

Audioholic Intern
I wish to upgrade my stereo listening music experience.
I am certainly no expert in this technical arena, but my best and most honest advice would be to use...

the 6000f RP klipsch speakers ( highly sensitive speakers), the Onkyo RZ830 AVR (120 watt per channel 2 channel driven), and the marantz UD 7007 cd player

...that you currently already have with you.

This will absolutely solve your dilemma. The one you have with you is 99% of the time the one you should use. If it breaks or if it can't do something specific like play a source format anymore, then that's a different story. But gear-acquisition-syndrome in the face of diminishing returns is no fun at all.
 
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Ramesh47

Enthusiast
Appreciate your views henkeli. You have echoed what most have said. After careful consideration and taking into account what many have advised, I am.giving up on the idea of adding an external amp. From what most have advised, what I have currently as you have also rightly put; seems to be good enough for good stereo sound. Only an upgrade of speakers and further room acoustic correction will help make a significant audible difference. I am very happy with my speakers; and I have already done up my room acoustics. Most have said that adding an external amp based on my current set up would not bring additional benefits. This is good advise cause it saves me some dough. Last thing I wish for is to spend a bomb and have no audible improvement. I will just work on calibrating my speakers and my two sub woofers. Thanks all for helping me out.
 
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Ramesh47

Enthusiast
Yes the advis
Has anyone already said that you don't need any external amp? Just use your AVR.

The Emotiva amp won't make your Klipsch speakers sound any better either.

If the room acoustics is too dead, then remove those panels.

Have you measured your speakers/room with REW?
Yes the advise has been given. I was wondering if there are other views from camps who have heard a significant difference. But its clear that an overwhelming majority feel adding electronics is not a solution and I have accepted the fact. So am dropping the idea of getting an external amp. I am keeping my acoustic panels as it serves a purpose. But have removed the carpet so the sound is more lively and is not over deadened. In terms of room measurements, these were taken by a professional when he fixed the acoustic panels as I am not technically competent. I am also getting someone to help me calibrate my speakers and further calibrate my two subs with a mini dsp. Think there will be a further mesurement of REW then. Tks
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Yes the advis

Yes the advise has been given. I was wondering if there are other views from camps who have heard a significant difference. But its clear that an overwhelming majority feel adding electronics is not a solution and I have accepted the fact. So am dropping the idea of getting an external amp. I am keeping my acoustic panels as it serves a purpose. But have removed the carpet so the sound is more lively and is not over deadened. In terms of room measurements, these were taken by a professional when he fixed the acoustic panels as I am not technically competent. I am also getting someone to help me calibrate my speakers and further calibrate my two subs with a mini dsp. Think there will be a further mesurement of REW then. Tks
Well, it's more like 50/50 if you are able to get most members involved. :D

We've done polls before. And it seems like it's usually a 50/50.
 
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Ramesh47

Enthusiast
Well, it's more like 50/50 if you are able to get most members involved. :D

We've done polls before. And it seems like it's usually a 50/50.
I only see one side of the 50 speaking up though. And if the other 50 remain silent then the 50 speaking up becomes the majority I guess.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I only see one side of the 50 speaking up though. And if the other 50 remain silent then the 50 speaking up becomes the majority I guess.
Here is one example of separates (amps) vs AVRs:

There are other polls over the years. But it usually turns out to be about 50/50.
 
bombadil

bombadil

Enthusiast
Key word seems to be "belief" :)
I was responding to a post stating that an Anthem AVR had "measured" unfavorably compared to other AVRs. Perhaps I should have said that I favor separates because they clearly "measure" better than AVRs. A quick perusal of the charts at ASR will confirm that "belief".
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Slumlord
I was responding to a post stating that an Anthem AVR had "measured" unfavorably compared to other AVRs. Perhaps I should have said that I favor separates because they clearly "measure" better than AVRs. A quick perusal of the charts at ASR will confirm that "belief".
My comment was more in regards to "You just can't put 5, 7, 11 high quality amp channels into a box with all the other components". Sure you can, and it has been done. Amir's testing so far is limited in any case. It wouldn't surprise me that you might get higher quality with some separates, tho. Often the spec difference is minimal in any case.
 
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PENG

Audioholic Overlord
I was responding to a post stating that an Anthem AVR had "measured" unfavorably compared to other AVRs. Perhaps I should have said that I favor separates because they clearly "measure" better than AVRs. A quick perusal of the charts at ASR will confirm that "belief".
All else being equal, yes, but there are often exceptions. ASR measured two Audio Research amps not long ago, both looked worse than the AVRs tested there except the Anthem MRX520 and NAD T758, those were even worse iirc..in at least one criteria.
 
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bombadil

bombadil

Enthusiast
All else being equal, yes, but there are often exceptions. ASR measured two Audio Research amps not long ago, both looked worse than the AVRs tested there except the NAD T758 that was even worse iirc..
Indeed they did but both amps were antiques produced in the 90s. They would more realistically be compared to AVRs of that period, not today. It's exciting to see the tech in the AHB-2 and the D class amps, as Gene has said the D amps are the future and with their particular advantages should be well suited for use in AVRs. In my case separates give me flexibility in choosing amplification and better quality DACs typically found in processors. These advantages are most useful for music listening and less so with movies/TV.
 
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PENG

Audioholic Overlord
Indeed they did but both amps were antiques produced in the 90s. They would more realistically be compared to AVRs of that period, not today. It's exciting to see the tech in the AHB-2 and the D class amps, as Gene has said the D amps are the future and with their particular advantages should be well suited for use in AVRs. In my case separates give me flexibility in choosing amplification and better quality DACs typically found in processors. These advantages are most useful for music listening and less so with movies/TV.
That Benchmark amp is near perfect if used in bridged mode for demanding 4 ohm speakers such as the Salon2.

I wouldnt use processor's DAC for two channel music, they don't typically use the best available chips(specs) and are often bottlenecked by the vol control. Most likely not an audible but on paper separate DACs have to the edge.
 
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Edgar Betancourt

Junior Audioholic
Adding more power is always beneficial. A more powerful amp will deliver higher volume levels within its safe operating parameters and thus with less distortion or clipping. If you like your music loud, always buy the highest amount of power you can. Conversely you can buy very efficient speakers, but the more power mantra always, always applies. Is the amp the most important factor? No the speakers are, however you can buy the best speakers in the market but if they don't have enough power to sparkle, well, they won't!
 
JerryLove

JerryLove

Audioholic Samurai
Adding more power is always beneficial. A more powerful amp will deliver higher volume levels within its safe operating parameters and thus with less distortion or clipping.
So switching from a 1,000,000 watt amp to a 1,100,000 watt amp will help me power my headphones with less distortion and clipping?

If you like your music loud, always buy the highest amount of power you can.
Hrm... no.

Seriously.

You are sitting on a 96db speaker that you are going to use with 106db peaks... buying a $30k pair of McIntosh 2kw monoblocks makes absolutely no sense.

Yes. I realize that these are extreme examples; but I am responding to statements that are absolutes.

Look at sensitivity, figure out peak listening levels, add some headroom (say.. double the power) and call it a day.

Conversely you can buy very efficient speakers, but the more power mantra always, always applies. Is the amp the most important factor? No the speakers are, however you can buy the best speakers in the market but if they don't have enough power to sparkle, well, they won't!
Very efficient speakers run at reference levels off average receivers (assuming there's nothing really strange about resistance). That's the great thing about such speakers.
 

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