Why is Harman’s speaker line so disappointing lately?

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2channel lover

Audioholic Field Marshall
totally agree, I too spent considerable hours listening to the F208 (best 5k speaker I have heard to date), in the end I settled on the Studio II's. I couldn't be happier.
For OEM speakers, it had come down to the F208 and Monitor Audio Gold 300...the LCR pkg was $6k+ for both of them....I was probably going to go with the MA G300, but I ended up ordering a pair of Salk Sound, the Song3-A with center...expecting delivery within 30 days now.
 
Johnny2Bad

Johnny2Bad

Audioholic Chief
So then, if one was a Harman fan, what would they like for them to offer? I'd be hard pressed to see them stray away from what they have already done, at least with JBL. That would seem like a lot of work just to end up with a different looking version of what everyone else is doing. It seems like it would be kind of tough to be Harman in the current consumer audio market.

Modern music has kind of suffered the same kind of fate, it seems, with the best ideas already having been used up a couple decades ago.
Most of Harmon's loudspeaker lines are currently shadows of their former selves. Buy 'em and turn them into clones of each other, competing in the same consumer space. Infinity is a good example ... at one time they produced what were considered the best loudspeaker in the world (The Infinity Reference Standard).

Barely a decade later, Infinity is sold to Harmon (1983) and immediately began a move deep into the mass-market consumer space, and into car audio. Flagship Infinity models begin to disappear, and finally do completely disappear. Many of Harmon's brands are examples of a drive to mediocrity. Not that they are terrible, but to wake up a Mustang when you went to bed a McLaren is still a significant change.

JBL is a special case, as it was Harmon's first acquisition, the resulting company more of a merger than anything else. So they get a little grandfathering in the consumer side, and are a key player in the Pro side (JBL's consumer and pro divisions are completely separate, and always were).

I was talking to a Soundcraft rep who was an old friend of mine and was, at one time, my employee, at a funeral of a mutual friend, a musician with a few solo releases. Soundcraft make recording consoles and are a Harmon International brand.

Quote: "We own everybody."
 
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MrBoat

Audioholic Ninja
I think we are on the cusp of the end of the age of the discernible audiophile. For everything else, computers can figure out how to make things and for who and even when.

The more a company moves towards budget oriented consumer products, the more they have to trend towards disposable junk, and even more reliance on China. Only to have the costs reapplied by the parasitic distribution network.

Add to that the mentality of the "Gotta have it now" sector, expecting audiophile grade at Walmart prices, and it should be kind of easy to see why a company like Harman would not want to touch it.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
I think we are on the cusp of the end of the age of the discernible audiophile. For everything else, computers can figure out how to make things and for who and even when.

The more a company moves towards budget oriented consumer products, the more they have to trend towards disposable junk, and even more reliance on China. Only to have the costs reapplied by the parasitic distribution network.

Add to that the mentality of the "Gotta have it now" sector, expecting audiophile grade at Walmart prices, and it should be kind of easy to see why a company like Harman would not want to touch it.
I was looking thru the various JBL portable bluetooth speakers...they have more models of those than their consumer speakers now I think :) Small is big now.
 
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MrBoat

Audioholic Ninja
I was looking thru the various JBL portable bluetooth speakers...they have more models of those than their consumer speakers now I think :) Small is big now.
That seems likely, considering.

Of all the people I know, there are two who are into audio somewhat like we are. The rest are ear buds and BT speakers.
 
Mitchibo

Mitchibo

Audioholic
The Revel line is probably a tier up I guess from Infinity, but within the Revel line the Performa3 line, particularly the F206 & F208...I would call these hifi, but the Concerta2 line might be more midfi.

FWIW, I spent half a day with the F208s and that's one helluva speaker imo. For a small space...two M106s ($2k a pr) and a quality sub would satisfy all but the most demanding audiophile for 2 channel.
I like the hell out of my F208’s!
 
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