Which amp will sound best for vinyl?

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Squishman

Full Audioholic
Trying to decide between a NAD C338 or a Denon PMA-600NE. Both have the features I need. Which might sound best for vinyl? Or could they be so close, it may be indecirepherable?
 
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highfigh

Audioholic Overlord
The amp is less important than the cartridge, turntable & setup and whatever is between the cartridge and amplifier. Without a good cartridge and setup, there's no chance of it sounding better than mediocre and without a good phono preamp, even a good cartridge has a road block. You don't need to go nuts on the price, but the cartridge needs to be a good match for the tonearm and this is something that has been lost on many people who are selling this kind of equipment- they never had to deal with it in their lives and don't know how it works.
 
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Squishman

Full Audioholic
The amp is less important than the cartridge, turntable & setup and whatever is between the cartridge and amplifier. Without a good cartridge and setup, there's no chance of it sounding better than mediocre and without a good phono preamp, even a good cartridge has a road block. You don't need to go nuts on the price, but the cartridge needs to be a good match for the tonearm and this is something that has been lost on many people who are selling this kind of equipment- they never had to deal with it in their lives and don't know how it works.
Ortophon Red.
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
Ortophon Red.
Based on specs, either amp won't be the bottleneck, the red is. So I would go for the one with the lower price, and personally I would take the Denon because it is class AB amp that is proven. The hybrid NAD would likely be more complex, and may have more things that can fail, but I am just guessing.
 
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highfigh

Audioholic Overlord
Based on specs, either amp won't be the bottleneck, the red is. So I would go for the one with the lower price, and personally I would take the Denon because it is class AB amp that is proven. The hybrid NAD would likely be more complex, and may have more things that can fail, but I am just guessing.
But the red can be used as a platform for a better stylus since that series uses the same body.
 
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Squishman

Full Audioholic
Based on specs, either amp won't be the bottleneck, the red is. So I would go for the one with the lower price, and personally I would take the Denon because it is class AB amp that is proven. The hybrid NAD would likely be more complex, and may have more things that can fail, but I am just guessing.
Terrific info. Thx. Shall I upgrade to the Blue? Amp currently (in 2 ch mode) is Yamaha RX-A1060.
 
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Audioholic Overlord
Terrific info. Thx. Shall I upgrade to the Blue? Amp currently (in 2 ch mode) is Yamaha RX-A1060.
If it's new, I would say it would be better to wait until it needs replacement and if you're just getting into this, enjoy it.
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
Terrific info. Thx. Shall I upgrade to the Blue? Amp currently (in 2 ch mode) is Yamaha RX-A1060.
I think you may prefer either, it is easy to find out because the stylus are interchangeable. I may try it myself eventually but am in no hurry because I keep thinking that the difference will be too minute for me to tell a difference.
 
davidscott

davidscott

Audioholic Field Marshall
I have a REGA Planar 3 - best TT I have ever owned and I have owned TTs since 1978.
 
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Squishman

Full Audioholic
My ProJect replaced a 100 year old (well, 40-45 years anyway) direct drive Technics. And wow, what a huge difference. The Q-up lifter is nice too.
 
davidscott

davidscott

Audioholic Field Marshall
My ProJect replaced a 100 year old (well, 40-45 years anyway) direct drive Technics. And wow, what a huge difference. The Q-up lifter is nice too.
I might just have to add one of those Q-Ups to my REGA :)
 
killdozzer

killdozzer

Audioholic Samurai
If it's new, I would say it would be better to wait until it needs replacement and if you're just getting into this, enjoy it.
Another approach is if it's still new, sell it to lower the cost of the blue stylus which may be costly to some.
 
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highfigh

Audioholic Overlord
I think you may prefer either, it is easy to find out because the stylus are interchangeable. I may try it myself eventually but am in no hurry because I keep thinking that the difference will be too minute for me to tell a difference.
I just checked the specs for both and the two differences are:

Channel separation at 1 kHz- Red (22 dB) vs Blue (25 dB)
Frequency range at - 3dB- Red (20-25,000 Hz) vs Blue (20-22,000 Hz)

Both have an ellyptical stylus and the tips have the same dimensions, so the differences are caused by the metal shank on the Red because the rest is the same- this has always been the case for using a nude stylus, but unless someone is comparing them, nobody will ever be able to say with certainty which they're hearing or that the Red sounds bad.
 

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