What interconnects for my amplifier?

[TLS Guy]

[quote uid=29650 name="TLS Guy" post=1678397]Wire is wire, pretty or not. Expensive cables are just a total waste.

That’s your opinion and I have mine
Shielding is also important as is the Looks to some .
It may be a waste to you but not to me and many others. The sound difference will vary depending on the individual as far as what they hear and their equipment. Just like may love certain brands and others dislike the sound.


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There is an agreed specification for cables. For audio RCA cables. Cables are specified in IEC 60958-3.

Many exotic cables do not when tested. Audio RCA cables are are 50 ohm impedance RCA digital cables 75 ohm.

Often these exotic cables don't meet spec. while the cheaper ones do. I frequently terminate my own cables from wire from outfits like Belden, where they have precise specifications of the cable.

For speaker cables the resistance of the cable needs to be no more than 5% of the speaker impedance. Simple. The rest is marketer hype and you seem to revel in falling for their con.

 

[TheFactor]

That’s your opinion and I have mine
Shielding is also important as is the Looks to some .
It may be a waste to you but not to me and many others. The sound difference will vary depending on the individual as far as what they hear and their equipment. Just like may love certain brands and others dislike the sound.


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There is an agreed specification for cables. For audio RCA cables. Cables are specified in IEC 60958-3.

Many exotic cables do not when tested. Audio RCA cables are are 50 ohm impedance RCA digital cables 75 ohm.

Often these exotic cables don't meet spec. while the cheaper ones do. I frequently terminate my own cables from wire from outfits like Belden, where they have precise specifications of the cable.

For speaker cables the resistance of the cable needs to be no more than 5% of the speaker impedance. Simple. The rest is marketer hype and you seem to revel in falling for their con.
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Sounds good it’s nice to hear different opinions when there is a respectable presentation .

 

[mtrycrafts]

Xlr to rca undoes the point of xlr. It’s just a means to connect two devices with different connections. The main point of xlr is to eliminate noise on long runs, mainly pro gear.
RCA to RCA will be fine.

But if he looks at it, it will be clear which cable is which.

 

[mtrycrafts]

People can spend their money however they want - for aesthetics, for pride of ownership, for that warm fuzzy feeling.

It's no different than people spending money on purses, shoes and other hobbies.

As long as they are not claiming that the wires somehow improve the sound quality.

If I am a millionaire, and I want some wires that I think look pretty, it's nobody's business to tell me I'm wasting my money.

Man, it must be pretty slow around here that we're talking about wires.

Except those purses, shoes, etc, are very visible out in public. Cables behind furniture, not so much and only impresses audio nuts when they come over and pointed out, look what I have.

 

[TheFactor]

Except those purses, shoes, etc, are very visible out in public. Cables behind furniture, not so much and only impresses audio nuts when they come over and pointed out, look what I have.

Yes when they come over us audio nuts must stick together
It’s kind of like the guy who has a Chevy and brags how much of a discount he got were as the Ferrari owner brags how much over asking g price he payed ))

 

[highfigh]

And I like Audiquest because there special and purty too
It cracks me up how some folks will spend 1000’s and 1000’s of dollars on audiophile equipment and then buy 20 dollar cables .
It’s like having a Lamborghini and running 87 octane lol.
Then those have the audacity after spending 4 to 5 digits on equipment bag on those who like quality interconnects to go with it
Rather for pure aesthetics or better sound to there ears it’s there choice to get and or recommend if that’s how they feel/


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Too bad you bite on the marketing and don't look into the science behind what is needed, what works and why.

BTW- human hearing isn't so good that it hears what can't be measured and the mind plays a lot of tricks on us.

 

[highfigh]

[quote uid=29650 name="TLS Guy" post=1678397]Wire is wire, pretty or not. Expensive cables are just a total waste.

That’s your opinion and I have mine
Shielding is also important as is the Looks to some .
It may be a waste to you but not to me and many others. The sound difference will vary depending on the individual as far as what they hear and their equipment. Just like may love certain brands and others dislike the sound.


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If you have too much money, buy less expensive cables and donate some.

Don't come here and tell us that opinions are more important than facts- this isn't Twitter, Facebook or some other social media outlet where people get butthurt over other's comments. There's more than 100 years of science and this is governed by Physics, not Psychology.

 

[TheFactor]

Have a safe and happy Holiday fellas and fellets
Even the haters

 

[TheFactor]

That’s your opinion and I have mine
Shielding is also important as is the Looks to some .
It may be a waste to you but not to me and many others. The sound difference will vary depending on the individual as far as what they hear and their equipment. Just like may love certain brands and others dislike the sound.


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If you have too much money, buy less expensive cables and donate some.

Don't come here and tell us that opinions are more important than facts- this isn't Twitter, Facebook or some other social media outlet where people get butthurt over other's comments. There's more than 100 years of science and this is governed by Physics, not Psychology.
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I’ll come here and we’re ever I want to voice my opinion when asked . So kindly don’t tell me what to do , enjoy your holiday and have a coke and a smile kind sir ))

 

[TheFactor]

Unsubscribed to many children on this thread lol

 

[TheFactor]

But again happy holidays and be Safe

 

[highfigh]

But again happy holidays and be Safe

Many of your posts in this thread made sense, but some, not so much.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Except those purses, shoes, etc, are very visible out in public. Cables behind furniture, not so much and only impresses audio nuts when they come over and pointed out, look what I have.

I don’t do anything to impress others, public or private.

All I care about is feeling good about my HT in private.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

It’s like having a Lamborghini and running 87 octane lol.


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This is 100% false equivalence.
Also NOT how it works.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Three pages of this nonsense thread. You won’t be able to convince people of anything. Some people want to be fooled. Some want to fool.

There is a cup for every saucer. There is a grifter for every sucker.

"Sweet Dreams (Are Made Of This)"

Agreed. My main point was that changing the octane rating in a vehicle actually offers measurable differences in performance. It can also offer real seat of the pants differences.
Cables will not. And yeah, an a$$ for every seat I guess.

 

[PENG]

Xlr to rca undoes the point of xlr. It’s just a means to connect two devices with different connections. The main point of xlr is to eliminate noise on long runs, mainly pro gear.
RCA to RCA will be fine.

That is not totally true, because RCA to XLR (assuming you XLR to RCA means RCA to XLR from preamp such as an AVR to power amp as an example) will reduce noise too, though not "eliminate". Also, even XLR to XLR will not eliminate noise, it only eliminate (ideally) the so called common mode noise.

I may be splitting hair, but I posted what Hypex's article stated, in the hope that many of us hobbyist might have been under the impression that RCA to XLR cables offer no benefits in terms of noise reduction (again, not elimination) vs RCA to RCA cables. That really is misconception, spread on the internet based on some misinformation, I was misinformed like many others, until I read articles such as Hypex's.

 

[Speedskater]

The 50 or 75 Ohm Radio Frequency Characteristic Impedance has nothing to do with analog interconnect cables. Unless your cables are many miles long.
Almost all well made cables will have some Radio Frequency Characteristic Impedance. It's based on the RLC of the cable.
With interconnect cables, the thickness or gage of the central conductors doesn't matter. It could be very small but might break.
The RCA shield is another matter. A heavy braided shield is best.
As a side note. You could run a 1000 foot RCA coax interconnect to a battery powered receiver and only have small level and high frequency loses.

 

[Speedskater]

There is an agreed specification for cables. For audio RCA cables. Cables are specified in IEC 60958-3.
Many exotic cables do not when tested. Audio RCA cables are are 50 ohm impedance RCA digital cables 75 ohm.

Those are digital interconnect standards. NOT analog interconnects!

 

[PENG]

Here is a good no nonsense article that doesn't get too technical:

What is Impedance, Anyway?

What is Impedance, Anyway? -- Blue Jeans Cable

Another typical internet misinformation, surely not intentionally though. One can do better by simply going with Wiki's such as:

Characteristic impedance - Wikipedia

Site like those (BJ cable..) probably try to explain something that requires a fair bit of electrical circuit and field theory knowledge in what they thought might be "in simple English..".

 

[PENG]

You might want to look into the original reasons for XLR, which really doesn't need to be used- plenty of pro/commercial gear that uses complementary balanced circuitry has screw terminals or Euro-style plugs- it WAS for long runs and to eliminate noise but pro/commercial gear also uses Low Impedance circuitry, which prevents grund loops. The real kind, not the generic term for hum as so many inaccurately use it.

LoZ/balanced audio has been used for over 100 years.

Thanks, but why would I do that, what has that got to do with my post?