What do we know about Underwood mods for universal players?

[vman71]

Sorry I shouldn't have said the majority of people here I should have said the majority of educated consumers know what snake oil is when they see it...

So now you're deciding who's educated and who's not.....you are a NARCISSIT!

If you hadn't gotten the hint member who have been here far longer than I with much more technical knowledge have put highly convincing arguments for why these mods are not worth while you just refuse to believe them because "hearing is believing" when in fact that has even been proven false here in this very thread.

You have not proven anything other than:
1. when you answer a thread, somehow you speak on behalf of everyone here on the website,
2. decide what is good and bad for people's audio system, and
3. you've now decided that you determine who's educated and who's not

 

[Tomorrow]

I should amend my last post to say that I did level match the cdp's but my little test was in no way scientifically sound or measured.

 

[avaserfi]

I should amend my last post to say that I did level match the cdp's but my little test was in no way scientifically sound or measured.

Glad to see something relevant. I know you said the differences in SQ weren't worth the money, but you also said the Sears cdp wasn't that great of quality. Could it be possible that the Sears cdp didn't sound as good due to poor design rather than the mod?

This time I am not trying to discount the mod. I am just curious because the lack of control makes the comparison slightly suspect.

 

[Tomorrow]

Glad to see something relevant. I know you said the differences in SQ weren't worth the money, but you also said the Sears cdp wasn't that great of quality. Could it be possible that the Sears cdp didn't sound as good due to poor design rather than the mod?

This time I am not trying to discount the mod. I am just curious because the lack of control makes the comparison slightly suspect.

You're absolutely right, avaserfi. It is another way of thinking about my little test. If I had the equipment, I surely would have comp'ed a stock 1050 with the modded one. That would have made much more sense, but I didn't have one to play with for this thread posting.

I think the point that it drove home for me was that even the cheapest of electronics (the used Sears unit was 5 bucks at a yard sale) can seemingly not be embarrassed by far more expensive equipment...to some point of diminishing returns on the dollar.

And hey...are you saying the QM posts weren't relevant?! LOL.

 

[avaserfi]

You're absolutely right, avaserfi. It is another way of thinking about my little test. If I had the equipment, I surely would have comp'ed a stock 1050 with the modded one. That would have made much more sense, but I didn't have one to play with for this thread posting.

I think the point that it drove home for me was that even the cheapest of electronics (the used Sears unit was 5 bucks at a yard sale) can seemingly not be embarrassed by far more expensive equipment...to some point of diminishing returns on the dollar.

And hey...are you saying the QM posts weren't relevant?! LOL.

I have a solution, find another 5 dollar sears unit and mod it then do another listening test. Its brilliant! 5 dollars plus 200 dollars in mods makes one pimped out cd player!

 

[Tomorrow]

I have a solution, find another 5 dollar sears unit and mod it then do another listening test. Its brilliant! 5 dollars plus 200 dollars in mods makes one pimped out cd player!

LOL, it would be unique!!

 

[mtrycrafts]

Simply put, I do simple mods on decent equipment and make it better.

So you claim. Do you have specs for that improvement or everything is based on flawed comparisons?

 

[mtrycrafts]

I have said that in my experience from modding my own audio gear, primairly speaker xovers, I have heard sonic improvements. .

Well, that is easy to accomplish And, you can see that on a good scope.
So what you are doing with crossovers is altering the sound to suit your perceived likes and dislikes.

 

[vman71]

So you claim. Do you have specs for that improvement or everything is based on flawed comparisons?

Go back and read my posts to this thread and you'll get your answer.

 

[vman71]

Well, that is easy to accomplish And, you can see that on a good scope.

You either can't remember what I've said in my posts or have not taken the time to read through my posts to this thread.

So what you are doing with crossovers is altering the sound to suit your perceived likes and dislikes.

You're statements speak highly of your ignorance. Nobody that I know or have talked to, that upgrades speaker xovers, modify them to suit "their" perceived likes and dislikes.

I'll just consider the source whenever you post. You're not worth my time.

 

[avaserfi]

So you claim. Do you have specs for that improvement or everything is based on flawed comparisons?

mtry, Look how he responded to me when I asked for relevant DATA not the statement "hearing is believing" that should be answer to this situation enough...

 

[mtrycrafts]

mtry, Look how he responded to me when I asked for relevant DATA not the statement "hearing is believing" that should be answer to this situation enough...

Too many posts, even if you read them all memory may forget what was read several days ago

 

[mtrycrafts]

I'll just consider the source whenever you post. You're not worth my time.

Suits me fine. It is better to talk to a wall anyhow.

 

[mtrycrafts]

Is there a point you're trying to make?

Of course there was a point but you fail to grasp it. Too complex.

 

[Tomorrow]

Now now, boys. You're starting to sound like me and Johnd. Put away those willies.

 

[avaserfi]

Now now, boys. You're starting to sound like me and Johnd. Put away those willies.

But mine is bigger!!!!

 

[Tomorrow]

But mine is bigger!!!!

Somebody could get hurt.

 

[avaserfi]

Don't worry, I won't poke anyone's eyes out...I hope!

Back to the topic: I just put my wood under my universal player and nothing...no quality increases although I think I got a rash .

 

[MDS]

Back to the topic: I just put my wood under my universal player and nothing...no quality increases although I think I got a rash .

Ah, but what kind of wood? Everyone knows that Teak is superior to Oak or Maple.

 

[Pyrrho]

A measureable, and perhaps significant result. What I never seem to see, are similar before/after measureable, perhaps significant (i.e., audible) results presented for audiophile mods. It amazes me that someone would spend hundreds or thousands on a mod, and not demand at least objective evidence of before/after difference, in the form of bench test results before/after.

Most people don't look for objective, real evidence before their initial purchases, so why would they look for it with modifications? Most people are gullible suckers who will throw away their money with little thought. The main thing is to have a good story to tell, and then people will believe in almost any snake oil con that one can dream up. It is all in the story. Once a person is a true believer, any evidence to the contrary that is encountered will generally be dismissed without further ado. Just read audio threads, and you will see how many people vigorously object to objective evidence. Indeed, at some audio sites, even discussing double blind listening tests appears to be forbidden.

To save myself some typing:

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Hearing is believing or seeing is believing is bogus. To use Mtrycrafts favorite example, puttting a steel pipe in a bucket of water causes your eyes to believe that the water bent the pipe. Did it really bend the pipe? Of course not - the eyes and ears are easily fooled and that is how high priced 'mods' are sold - to the gullible.

Yet so many repeat the mantra, "trust your ears"...