Not sure. Its getting rather difficult with my ever changing taste buds after the head and neck radiation. After all of that was completed, I started drinking dark ( Porters) cause to me, "they tasted a little sweet) . I know not possible but to me they did, my wife nearly threw it up going, this is awful. . But now they are tasting I guess like they should taste, which now to me, they are just way to bitter. So I tried a Breckenridge Brewery Vanilla Porter, smooth nutty chocolatey undertones. So far, its ok. But, I as of now I'm liking Red Ales like Smithwick and Ancient City Matanzas River Red ( St Augustine) both to me caramel-like ale.