Well I will NOT be buying Paradigm again.. You need to know

TjMV3

TjMV3

Full Audioholic
In all honsety, I don't think you can repeat yourself enough.


There's no such thing as overkill when it comes to a situation such as yours (and what I went through with them). This is allegedly a " Highly Respected Audio/Home Theater Gear Manufactor". Allegedly. Maybe they should start acting like one.

There's no excuse for the horrific and oddly selective approach to "Customer Service" (or lack of) by such a high-profile company. It's pathetic!

I hope you get your speaker fixed very soon.

As for me, I'll never spend a single penny on anything manufactored and sold by Paradigm/Anthem .......ever again. They've lost my business, forever. Nor will I ever suggest a Paradigm/Anthem product to anyone, ever. In fact, I will always tell people the truth and attempt to discourage anyone from considering or purchasing Paradigm/Anthem products based on their inconsistent customer service, policies and warranty negligence.
 
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Nick250

Audioholic Samurai
Hawst said:
Nick, sorry about that if I have been so repetitive about this. Its not my intention at all. Try to put on my shoes for a min and feel my frustration is all I ask.
This was my "first time" to spend more than a grand for speakers and it was way over 1k - into the 2ks. Which is why this is all the worse for me as this isnt my 15th pair of high end speakers.
Again, sorry I will try to refrain and only post updates.
I understand your frustration. You got screwed by the dealer who sold them to you by not telling you that there was no warranty on the speakers because of Paradigm's warranty policy. And maybe they were not Paradigm dealers when they sold them to you in any case. My anger would be directed to wards the selling dealer. If he had been upfront with you about the warranty, this thread would not exist because, presumably, you would have not gone through with the purchase.

If at all possible a good local B&M is the way to go. I took a DVD player back to my local B&M when it failed a while after the warranty expired to see how much it would cost to be fixed or replaced. The store manager said these exact words "I consider this a warranty matter and I should have fixed in a week". And it was. As a regular customer, they give me good discounts also, very close to on line prices.

Nick
 
jeffsg4mac

jeffsg4mac

Republican Poster Boy
Sometimes I don't know what to think about Paradigm. I witnessed first hand with Clint and Gene how snobby they were at CEDIA and CES. One of my best friends had an issue with a sub, he posted the issue here and voile, Paradigm steps up and gives him a brand new sub. Come to find out the Dealer in FL, Sensuous Sound, sold him an out of warranty, 6 year old sub saying it was just a floor model. Paradigm made good and gave him a brand new one.

I bought a CC470 center channel some months back at Ensemble here in NH and had the drivers go out twice. Both times I had no issues getting it fixed. However, I am very wary of Paradigms quality control. This center channel replaced a cc-370 that I had for several years with no issues except that it sounded like doodoo. After taking a close look at the drivers on the studio line, I found they need to beef up where the voice coil wire attaches. Both times the glue let loose where it is attached at the spider, and then after swinging free for a while the wire just broke in two. After I got it back the second time I grabbed a small paint brush and some gorilla glue and beefed it up. It is not coming off now. However, I should not have had to do this with a 600.00 center channel.
 
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chicomoralessxm

Audioholic
I forward this the link of this page to Paradigm so i hope this will might be of some assistance to the orinator of this tread.
 
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Hawst

Audioholic Intern
lol, i doubt it. I was turned away today by the local dealer in my area when I tried to take my speaker in for repair.

I give up, they win I will just buy a new tweeter and screw it back in. then sell these things and be rid of them.

My new speakers came in today as well and I am very happy to have them.

Time to put this matter behind me with a 1500 (approx) dollar loss - who cares its only hard earned money I worked for... right?

I wish you all the best and I pray you never have to go through this.
 
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pbarach1

Audioholic
Paradigm is off my "buy" list

Sorry for your troubles. I was considering a set of Studio 100's v4, but I will go with another brand.
 
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billnchristy

Senior Audioholic
Brightside, I think you will cause Paradigm to lose more more than you did with this thread.

I reccommend posting a link to it in every major audio forum you can find.

Of course the loss will hurt you more than it will them.

I hope your new purchase goes smooth, I have found my audio supplier for life (mine or theirs) and hope you do too.
 
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Hawst

Audioholic Intern
I know many of you have suggested to cross post this to other forums. But in my experience I will just get slammed for doing this as the origional poster.

So, if you guys want to warn fellow enthusiast then go ahead and cross post it. But I am not as at this point I dont really care anymore to even speak thier name. Not only that I am only familiar with 2 forums. This one and one other but they arent very friendly so I only lurk there.

Take care,
 
mike c

mike c

Audioholic Warlord
I personally don't like the way Paradigm does business ...

check out the review audioholics did on a studio 20:
then check out the review list on paradigm's website where they replaced all the "20's" in that review with "40" and then tagged that article as a review for the studio 40.
 
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GreenJelly

Banned
I own B&W... I am happy... Never liked Paradigms sound. Reminded me of grown up store brand speakers. Now I dont think positive of Paradigm's repair policy. For as far as I know, I can take my B&W's anywhere in the world and with a receipt I can get coverage under the warrenty... Then again, I never tried.... Anyone want to pay for a round trip ticket to some warm place and a few nights stay, so I can replace my "Broken" center channel (its not broken now, but I could change that:) )... I need somewhere near a beach, and possibly with some Places I can Scuba a bit. The pains and stress of this trip will be HUGE, but I am willing to do what ever it takes to test these companies. I just need a bit of funding.

Mike
 
Buckeyefan 1

Buckeyefan 1

Audioholic Ninja
Paradigm review

Hawst said:
lol, i doubt it. I was turned away today by the local dealer in my area when I tried to take my speaker in for repair.

I give up, they win I will just buy a new tweeter and screw it back in. then sell these things and be rid of them.

My new speakers came in today as well and I am very happy to have them.

Time to put this matter behind me with a 1500 (approx) dollar loss - who cares its only hard earned money I worked for... right?

I wish you all the best and I pray you never have to go through this.
Paradigm - nice job. Way to back your product. You should be proud of yourselves.
 
TjMV3

TjMV3

Full Audioholic
They (Paradigm/Anthem) are an embarrassment. It's horrible he has had to go through all this garbage and jump through so many hoops; to only end up in the same place he started; screwed over by Paradigm/Anthem.

I have posted about this in another forum, in a Paradigm related thread and as expected Paradigm owners are making excuses and justifications, because they personally did not encounter the same dispicable and negligent lack of customer service, refusal ot honor the warranty and total disregard from Paradigm/Anthem.

And as I said there, these people will continue to support and make excuses for Paradigm/Anthem as long as they are not one of the unfortune individuals to get screwed. But make no mistake, if any of these apologists were to get screwed over by Paradigm/Anthem, as Hawst has; then it would be a HUGE deal for them. They would then want everyone to know about it and support them in their fight against Paradigm/Anthem.

I won't ever buy their (Paradigm/Anthem) products ever again. Made that mistake once before, they screwed me on a six month old warranty. I'll never, ever make that mistake again.

I will continue to pass the word around, refer people to this thread, share my own personal screwing at the hands of Paradigm/Anthem; as to inform, educate and warn people against Paradigm/Anthem products and the duplicitous policies and business' practices of Paradigm/Anthem. It's the truth and the truth should be told.
 
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GreenJelly

Banned
What do you expect... this is the internet...

Forums tend to always have people defend their own... its the same thing with people who own and sell expensive cables... they become very defensive when you point out they waste their money.

Then you got people who feel its their job to correct every spelling mistake and any error you make in your grammer as a means to disprove or discredit your views.

So much mis-information spread through these forums. Rumors and Gossip... Yuck... Thats why I am carefull to check what I hear with backup sources.
 
Davemcc

Davemcc

Audioholic Spartan
It's funny that I found this thread because my Paradigm dealer is directly across the street from the Era dealer. I was considering giving the Paradigm Studio 20's another audition in a more suitable room.

I will not do that now.

I've had my own customer service nightmare with a particular brand of car. It cost me $6,000 to drive it for 5 months. I dropped it at a competitor's door and nearly begged them to take it as a trade. I feel the OP's frustration and now, a reputation for poor customer service is enough to turn my shoes around and walk away.
 
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Hawst

Audioholic Intern
There is an old saying that I like to say once in a while when applicable.

"A smart man learns from his own mistakes, but a wise man learns from others mistakes."

GL and you are wise to choose another brand.
 
KC23

KC23

Audioholic
3db said:
I've been following this post and I fail to see why you would responded as you have. Do you think this is just another spammer? What gives?
The only thing I see odd about his response is going back to CV. I sure as
heck wouldn't have anything to do with a company that did that to me.
 
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jsantos615

Junior Audioholic
Davemcc said:
It's funny that I found this thread because my Paradigm dealer is directly across the street from the Era dealer. I was considering giving the Paradigm Studio 20's another audition in a more suitable room.

I will not do that now.

I've had my own customer service nightmare with a particular brand of car. It cost me $6,000 to drive it for 5 months. I dropped it at a competitor's door and nearly begged them to take it as a trade. I feel the OP's frustration and now, a reputation for poor customer service is enough to turn my shoes around and walk away.
Customer service is HUGE to me as well. Having just purchased my first new set of fronts in years, I put customer service in a close third to sound quality and build quality. Montor Audio, Canton and Aperion all kicked-butt with pre-purchase support, which, to me, speaks volumes about post purchase support. Years ago, Boston Acoustics provided me with great support. The losers in my speaker search? M&K and Magnepan; no return phone calls, no return e-mail. Each of my messages started with "I'm considering buying your speakers". I'm building a home theater in a vacation home and will need yet another set of speakers. The speakers will be MA, Canton or Aperion...Guaranteed!

Paradigm should remember that many of their potential customers (who almost always become evangelical about the gear they own) don't stop at buying just one product. We love to audion, upgrade, start secondary systems and then show it off to our friends. Shame on Paradigm for alienating a customer!
 
Davemcc

Davemcc

Audioholic Spartan
jsantos615 said:
Paradigm should remember that many of their potential customers (who almost always become evangelical about the gear they own) don't stop at buying just one product. We love to audion, upgrade, start secondary systems and then show it off to our friends. Shame on Paradigm for alienating a customer!
No kidding. Check my sig and you'll see, if you look close, that I don't have enough speakers for both systems and what I do have is mostly old and not very good. Methinks I'm going to be buying a lot of speakers in the near future, but I'm going to be a little wary of Paradigm.
 
hemiram

hemiram

Senior Audioholic
I'm kind of in the same situation, except my problem is with a JVC head unit I bought for my truck about a year ago. I bought it from the local authorized dealer, a place that makes very annoying commercials, but seems decent enough. This was my third stereo I have purchased from them, the first two were working fine when I sold them, or the vehicle they were in. I had no problems with my last one, a Sony (Not the greatest rep lately), and it's still working fine for the kid I sold it to over a year ago. The JVC has a 2 year warranty, and that was partly the reason I bought it locally.

The HU is the KD-AR7500, a fairly high end "Arsenal" unit, with MP3 and Sirius controls. One of the freatures is the really nice customizable display. CD/radio play is flawless, and sounds great. The problem is with the Sirius. When it was first put in, I noticed no issues for a while, then one day, when I was changing channels on Sirius, the display froze, the sound changed (the station changed, but the display was stuck), and maybe 30 seconds later, it beeps and says "Reset 08". I look in the manual, and on the website, and it says to reset the unit. Ok, so I do, and the Sirius works, for a few days, then it does it again, and this time, the Sirius is gone, like it's not even there. I go back to the dealer, who scratches his head, and puts in a new Sirius module. It works for a couple of weeks, and dies again. The module is replaced again! Same thing, and the head unit is replaced. Unplugging the Sirius module fixes the problem, temporarily. The more often Sirius channels are changed, the sooner the problem reoccurs. If I work at it, it literally only takes a few hours of changing channels to cause it.

Nothing changes, regardless of what has been replaced. There are a million adjustments on the thing, and every one of them is lost when you reset it, EQ, station presets, everything. I sent an Email to JVC and got nothing. Then I called the 800 number, and talked to a fairly nice person, who told me to take it to the local repair place, where it would be gone over. I would have no stereo for probably close to a month if I do.

Strangely enough, almost at the exact second I hang up with him, here comes a reply to my email message back, from the same guy I was just talking to! I had sent the message about 12 days earlier. It just said to take it to the warranty place. I feel that since this problem has been happening since day one, they should replace the unit with the equivalent current model, but the guy I spoke with kind of laughed at this, so that's not going to happen. Having spoken to a couple of other places in town, and a friend of mine who used to sell car stereo, I found out JVC is known for lousy customer service. Great.

My dealer has during this period stopped selling JVC car audio. He's doing everything reasonable on his end, and I have no real complaints with them at all. They will be trying a "last ditch" attempt at solving this in the morning. Since they have put in 2 head units, and 4 Sirius modules, along with the cable from the HU to the Sirius modules, without any difference, I made the suggestion that the only common thing is the truck (I really doubt this will solve it), and maybe wiring the unit directly to the battery will solve it. So, in the morning, that will be done. I should know in a few hours if it's fixed.

If not, I should know by Tuesday morning, and I will, as soon as the store opens, buy another car stereo and Sirius box, have them put it in, and take the JVC to the warranty repair place, and let them play with it. When it comes back, it goes on Ebay, where the same unit brand new sells for about half what I paid for it locally, so I will take a bath on it, but good riddance. I don't think the thing is fixible, I think it's some kind of firmware bug, but I don't see much about this and the other similar units on any of the car stereo forums to really tell.

I won't buy anything from JVC again, there are other companies that deserve my business, and JVC isn't one of them. Before it goes on Ebay, I will write to JVC snail mail, and see what happens. I don't expect much, but I have been surprised in the past by Acer and Sony in the past when I wrote to them, so who knows, maybe they will come through.
 
highfihoney

highfihoney

Audioholic Samurai
Hawst said:
There is an old saying that I like to say once in a while when applicable.

"A smart man learns from his own mistakes, but a wise man learns from others mistakes."

GL and you are wise to choose another brand.
Man did you get screwed bad:( What a way to have your first hi end experience,what i find alarming is how a few people try to make light of this by focusing on paradigm's "authorised dealer policy",what a load i say,if it were me i wouldnt care if i bought them used from a flea market,for the premium that all high end manufacturer's put on their gear all you should need is the serial # of the gear & a shipping address to have the replacement part shipped too.

From my experience with high end gear & the authorised dealer policy's they use ive yet to run into anything like you have , ive had repair work done for free from several different manufacturers on gear i bought used who also use the authorised dealer policy,paradigm's implementation of these policy's is not the normal treatment for high end customers.
 

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