Wal-Mart Battling for $10 CDs

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outsider

Audioholic
Francious70 said:
I don't see why some of you guy are bashing Wal-Mart, it's a great place.

  • Open 24 hours
  • Low Prices
  • They have virturally everything you could want
  • Usually have quality stuff
Which Walmart are you shopping at??

The last time I was in Walmart they sold mostly base-grade junk, had only a few of each type of item to pick from, and the items that actually were quality were roughly the same price as they were at other stores.


Francious70 said:
Now I will agree that I don't buy music there as often as I go to a dedicated music story, but that's only because of more selection. I don't really have a problem with the editing of their CD's as I usually buy Country, Christian, and non-parental advisory Rock.
What I find interesting is that the CDs are edited, but the movies are not.
As for your listening tastes, good for you, but many of us prefer other types of music that often have explicit language. Not that I love explicit language, but if the artist intended it to be there, it should be there.
 
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cbraver

Audioholic Chief
I want to see them put an edited Too $hort album in there. It would just have a few "da's" and "dat" and then just be a blank beat with no lyrics. ;)

Censoring music is just excessive. If it offends people, they shouldn't buy it. That is massicuring art. (if you consider rap or modern rock art, that is). But there are many gems of records that have explicit lyrics, and I think it's a shame to kill their work.

-Chad
 
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cbraver said:
I want to see them put an edited Too $hort album in there. It would just have a few "da's" and "dat" and then just be a blank beat with no lyrics. ;)
So practically every word is profane? Hard to call that 'art'. Must be a rap 'artist'.
 
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slmcdonald7

Junior Audioholic
Unregistered said:
So practically every word is profane? Hard to call that 'art'. Must be a rap 'artist'.
Translated: 'Why yes, I am a middle-age white guy.'

By the way, as I understand it, the proper nomenclature is 'street poet'. ;)
 
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cbraver

Audioholic Chief
Unregistered said:
So practically every word is profane? Hard to call that 'art'. Must be a rap 'artist'.
I'm not a rap fan. Don't own one rap album. However, I still consider it an art. It might not be an art you prefer, but don't just denounce it because it's about something you and I can't relate to.

-Chad
 
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Musical tastes aside the fact remains that walmart only sells edited albums with little or no indication to the consumer. I've never seen a "warning all music edited" sign at walmart, and if they do have some kind of indication on the shelf sticker, i've never seen it.
(Also how often does product at walmart actually match up with the shelf sticker? not very. I used to work for an outside company that did inventories for walmart, and even though they cleaned and straightened their product before we got there, the shelves were more often than not chaos.)

Walmart is in possession of more than 10% of the cd sales market in the us, and any pubisher that doesn't make cd sales through them shoots themself in the foot because their competition will. This forces the editing of an artist's original intent, and the sale of this distortion to an unaware consumer. While technically i'm sure they're covered (they can most likely afford more lawyers than i can imagine) the end result of this situation is basically an act of FRAUD.

Some people have said here that they don't think it's a big deal because walmarts "moral guidelines" match their own, and so they feel they are not affected by this. They feel comfortable letting the walmart corporation make their decisions for them, which is a scary thing. What about the day that their views aren't congruant to that of management? I think that it's a legitimate concern when somebody is telling me what i should and shouldn't listen to, and that people should eye warily anybody who's telling them "don't worry you don't need to know, we know what's best for you"

The other argument i've heard is the "for the children" argument which is basically that parents want to make sure their children listen to music that is congruant to their moral/political/religious views. They say that by only letting their kids listen to cds from walmart, they are being responsible and protecting them. This argument is lazy and a great example of the poor parenting that causes so many problems today, even with editing forms and ideas still come through that you may not agree with. If you're that concerned, check the cd before they listen to it. Even if the lyics aren't printed on the insert they can easily be found on the internet

http://www.lyrics.com/
http://www.azlyrics.com/

^these two I just pulled off a quick google search for the string "lyrics" and there were dozens more. Artists often have web pages with lyrics as well as the numerous fan pages out there. To put your job off onto the hands of walmart is lazy and irrisponsible. Also censorship standards are not always even successful in stopping ideas. Language evolves around censored "bad words" and while a song may not say "**** that ****" there will be less direct things that you still may not approve of. (Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds anyone?)

As for the rest of Walmarts product somebody before summed it up, the quality stuff costs as much as anywhere else and the rest is crap. Sure it's cheaper today, but if its broken in a year & you've got to buy another one did you really save any money?

Back to music though, I think they should come up with a censored label similar to that parental advisory label, that should be a two way street. Also any label should be OUTSIDE the cd wrapper, not stuck on or printed over the cover art.

I was in great dismay when i learned that some of my cd collection was edited and I'm still searching for some way to tell and identify which ones are false. That's how i stumbled across this forum/thread and how i will leave carrying on my search. Remember though, think for yourself or else someone else will be glad to do it for you.

Peace

p.s.

keep tabs on censorship: http://massmic.com/
 
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gymphboi

Enthusiast
Francious70 said:
I don't see why some of you guy are bashing Wal-Mart, it's a great place.

  • Open 24 hours
  • Low Prices
  • They have virturally everything you could want
  • Usually have quality stuff

Now I will agree that I don't buy music there as often as I go to a dedicated music story, but that's only because of more selection. I don't really have a problem with the editing of their CD's as I usually buy Country, Christian, and non-parental advisory Rock.

Other than that, Wal-Mart is a great store.

Paul

I will tell you the major problem with Walmart. Chinese made goods. Rather than buy products made in this country (USA), they buy HUGE quantities from the Chinese. If I remember correctly, Walmart accounts for a large portion of China's GDP. They are a major part of the wholesale gutting of American manufacturing. And what they do buy from this country, they bully the suppliers to selling at very low prices.

-Tony
 
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MDS

Audioholic Spartan
They buy from China because the price of the goods is very low due to very low wage rates. Americans have been living beyond their means for a very long time. We have record trade and budget deficits and it's only getting worse. If we keep going the way we are, printing money at will and borrowing from foreigners to the tune of a billion dollars a day, its not inconceivable that the US will become a third world country in our lifetime.

Then we will have far bigger problems than worrying about Walmart.
 

stheartgrenade

Audiophyte
not edited at walmart!

i bought a green day cd at walmart and they said the f word!!! it didnt say parental advisory! walmart doesnt sell parental advisory i thught!
 
supervij

supervij

Audioholic General
If you're looking for (uncensored) CDs at good prices, why not just buy them at the used record shops? Here in Toronto, I pay ten bucks Canadian (about eight bucks U.S.) max for most CDs. Sometimes a bit more, sometimes a bit less. And they let you check the CD to make sure there aren't any scratches or anything. And they give you a 7-day, 14-day, or 30-day (depending on the store) money-back guarantee if it doesn't play well.

I can't remember the last CD I bought at full price. Unless there's some spectacular sale at the big record stores, it makes no sense to do it these days. And some of these used places actually sell SACDs and DVD-As as well. So check out the used shops; you may have to do a bit more searching when you get there, but the prices more than make up for it.

cheers,
supervij
 
racquetman

racquetman

Audioholic Chief
I spell evil W-A-L-M-A-R-T

Clint DeBoer said:
We do all of our grocery shopping at Walmart. All of the other stores cost way more and force you to use "discount" cards to make you feel like you're getting a sale. Most of the time, the cards only get some of the items back down to where they should be normally (meanwhile you get ripped off for everything else you buy.)

I see no inherent evil in this. Capitalism, like everythign else in the world has its limits. the downside is that supply and demand will always produce companies like Walmart who "win the game" so to speak and negate smaller comapnies from being able to compete (by way of volume purchasing.)

Its a complex game, but everyone knows the rules so its at least fair.
Here's the evil of Walmart. Walmart attracts a lower class of people by undercutting everyone elses prices. They make up the difference by paying their employees poorly and offering fewer benefits. Disgruntled employees = poor service. White trash customers = poor manners/etiquette. I don't want to be forced to congregate with these people just to save a few bucks. I fear the day when Walmart has driven all of its competitors out of business. Of course I'm single and don't have a family to support, so I can ride my moral high horse. Actually, I think I'll change my ways. I'm gonna go to Walmart right now and get myself a $30 DVD player, RF modulator, and a 19" analog TV. Oh ya, and I'm only buying pan and scan movies from now on because those black bars suck!! :D
 
Buckeyefan 1

Buckeyefan 1

Audioholic Ninja
C'mon, this is a free economy.

Walmart accounts for a large portion of China's GDP.
What??? Do you have any idea of what China's GDP is? Walmart is a fart in a windstorm to China.

They are a major part of the wholesale gutting of American manufacturing.
They aren't the reason US manufacturing has practically evaporated. Competition is. We breed competition. Labor unions fight competition, and unfortunately put the manufacturing base out of business. Competition is the reason we locate plants in Mexico. Sure, we can shut down our borders, but then we are no longer a free economy. The Chevy Cobalt would never be the fantastic vehicle it is without the Civic breathing down GM's throat.

And what they do buy from this country, they bully the suppliers to selling at very low prices.
That's the American way. Don't you do that to car salesmen? If not, shame on you! It's the suppliers choice to sell to Wally World. If they get in over their heads, it's thier own fault for not diversifying. If ma and pa shops that went out of biz b/c of Wally World were smart, they'd open up new shops that W.M. doesn't engage in, and milk the new thriving localities for the increase in traffic.

If you disagree with Wally World's business practices, don't shop there. You've got the internet to put them out of business - tax free!
 
furrycute

furrycute

Banned
Walmart usually has very good prices on most things. But I usually buy most of my CDs and DVDs from Columbia House or BMG, which usually have better prices than what you can find at Walmart. But Walmart sometimes does have some bargains on DVDs. I once found one Walmart selling Band of Brothers set for $69, and that was the regular price.

As to Walmart's business practice. What can you do? That's the American way. Everywhere Walmart goes, small businesses get wiped out and communities suffer. Maybe one of these days someone will go after Walmart for antitrust issues. Actually I think that's a really good idea. Walmart with its current size is no less a threat to the American way of life than what Standard Oil, AT&T, Microsoft (though the rulings against the big M got nowhere), etc. once were. ;)
 
Shadow_Ferret

Shadow_Ferret

Audioholic Chief
slmcdonald7 said:
Rob, I have to disagree with you. Wal Mart is by far the largest retail chain in the US (World?), and they use this power to muscle their way to the lowest prices possible, with little to no regard to what the market really demands. Selling products for less than they are worth is good for Wal Mart as it allows them to maintain their position as the 'top banana' of retailers, but it is bad for the overall health of the economy.
Wow. You make that sound like it's a bad thing. How can a company being successful in any way be bad for the overall economy? That makes no sense. What's wrong with a company using it's muscle to lower prices? That can only benefit consumers. You. Me. Families. Sorry. But that's a good thing.

God Bless Walmart.
 
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victoriacoffee

Audioholic Intern
New Prices, New Outlets

I'm glad things may be changing - two hardball giants going head to head. It has been a long time since someone has stood up to the industry. They have always tried to maintain large profit margins and leverage their distribution/marketing against new artists in order to create favorable deals. But hey, this is a capitalist economy and that's the way things work, for better or for worse.

My hope is that if Walmart succeeds, new retail outlets will emerge or old ones will expand, benifiting buyers everywhere.
 
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BobbyT

Junior Audioholic
Walmart attracts a lower class of people by undercutting everyone elses prices. They make up the difference by paying their employees poorly and offering fewer benefits. Disgruntled employees = poor service. White trash customers = poor manners/etiquette.
Financial status does not determine whether someone is low class, trashy, or thier manners and etiquette. Some very wealthy people with no etiquette also shop at Walmart to keep more of thier money in thier pocket.
 
racquetman

racquetman

Audioholic Chief
BobbyT said:
Financial status does not determine whether someone is low class, trashy, or thier manners and etiquette. Some very wealthy people with no etiquette also shop at Walmart to keep more of thier money in thier pocket.
Financial status is strongly correlated to all those things. It is not true 100% of the time. It may not even hold 80% of the time, but from direct observation I can tell you there is a correlation. I have lived in poor neighborhoods and in nicer neighborhoods in many different cities and I can tell you unequivocally that there is a strong correlation. To deny that with a straight face you would have to be deaf and blind and locked in your house 24/7.

In my experience, Walmart attracts a lower class of people. It doesn't matter whether they are well off or poor. I don't get door dings, car dents from shopping carts, spit at, almost run down, etc . . . where I shop at. All of these things have happened to me at Walmart. Two people I work with have had their cars broken into in broad daylight (on their lunch) at Walmart. I've never heard of that during the day at another store. The speed of checkout is ridiculous because the checkout people hate their jobs and aren't very bright to start with. Why do people sing the praises of this corporation (by the way, I highly recommend everyone watch the DVD "The Corporation" if you haven't already)? One reason only - their cheap!! When you ask someone why they shop at Walmart that is the only answer. You don't hear about how great the customer service is, or how clean the store is kept, or how well trained the staff is. All these things could accompany the lower prices, but they don't. And people are willing to put up with stupidity, and rudeness, and the occasional car break in to save 25 cents on a pack of twinkies or a CD. That's fine, just don't tell me Walmart is a great store. Walmart is a cheap store. Period.
 
furrycute

furrycute

Banned
Please don't turn this thread into class bashing.

There are people of different temperments in all three classes. I guess if you really want to draw a correlation with manners, it should be that there is a direct correlation between the amount of education a person receives with the politeness of his manner.

But manner in this sense should be paraphrased. The more educated a person is, the more he understands the need to disguise his instincts in the form of polite manners in everyday circumstances. Whereas a less educated person tends to act out his base instincts, thus he is regarded as being rude.

However, this ability to disguise one's instincts (in the form of polite manners) should in no way correlate with the moral quality of a person, no matter which social/economic class that person is in.

In the better educated circles, in the long run, often you will come to understand the base qualities of Man more clearly than you will ever discover in lesser educated circles.

Mannerisms should never be equated to morality.
 
racquetman

racquetman

Audioholic Chief
I'm done now

Sorry if it sounded like I was class bashing. That wasn't my intention. I just don't like Walmart. I dislike Walmart as much as most of you (and me) dislike Bose. Understand??!!

Anyway, I'm done crying about it.

Bring on the cheaper CDs!!
 
sts9fan

sts9fan

Banned
"The cool thing is that Wal-Mart is playing hardball on this. They want the record companies to lower their price for CD titles - and they are preapred to fill the gap with video game and DVDs if they don't comply"


Yeah real cool :mad:

Walmart has used this tactic to drive under good american compaies and forced others to go over to china to give in to SprawlMarts demands.
Rubbermade anyone??

WalMart is bad for America and good for the Chinese. I have nothing agaist Chinese but I would like to keep jobs at home. Call me crazy. Even if Cd's cost 5 bucks at walmart I would not buy them there.

Also do you know who is going to take the hit?? Do you think the labels are going to cut their profits??? No the musican is going to get less.

BOOOOOOOOOOO
 

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