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[haraldo]

Another thing about speakers and "angling", when speakers must be so extremely close to the wall, sometimes it helps to angle them in... much more than what you would think, depending on a lot of things, specially dispersion characteristics of speakers.
It may help on reflections

So that the axis from the speakers should meet in front of you

Sometimes this may actually work, but there's no guarantee how this will be with your speakers and room, but probably worth trying out

-Harald

 

[speakerman39]

Another thing about speakers and "angling", when speakers must be so extremely close to the wall, sometimes it helps to angle them in... much more than what you would think, depending on a lot of things, specially dispersion characteristics of speakers.
It may help on reflections

So that the axis from the speakers should meet in front of you

Sometimes this may actually work, but there's no guarantee how this will be with your speakers and room, but probably worth trying out

-Harald

I see. Thanks a bunch Harald as I will keep all of this in mind whenever I re-run Audyssey. I just have a lot more work ahead of me. Appreciate your input once again my friend.

Cheers,

Phil

 

[croseiv]

Hi Phil! How are you liking the new blu-ray/ hd adio experience? Man I'm loving it! The new Batman really kicks.

Cheers!

 

[speakerman39]

Hi Phil! How are you liking the new blu-ray/ hd adio experience? Man I'm loving it! The new Batman really kicks.

Cheers!

Hi croseiv. Like you I am really digging it. I also agree in that the new Batman was very impressive . The picture, as well as, the sound was absolutely amazing. Just can't wait till my 170's arrive! Thanks for asking my friend. Hope all is well your way.

Cheers,

Phil

 

[haraldo]

Hi Phil

I just thought about a few other things.... based on practical experiences with extremely difficult speakers in difficult room... (Duntech PCL-15 in tooooooo reflective room)

What worked for me in such a situation is:

To move speakers as close to listening position as possible, provided better imaging and better soundstage
- You will hear more of the direct sound from speakers and less of the reflected sound and less from the room
- The front wall will be further from speakers, so the influence of front wall may be less bothersome
- You get less room boundary reinforcement, may end up with better upper bass, depending on speakers, you will lose lower bass, but that's no issue whatsoever because you have two subwoofers....

In some occasions I have seen people adding diffusers extremely close to the speaker drivers to tame very difficult rooms, especially narrow rooms, actually we're talking diffusers not on the wall but onto the speakers. I have never tried this myself but sometimes this is suggested to work in difficult rooms.

I suggest you try moving speakers around a bit without doing so much with Audyssey settings until you find something good, and then try remeasuring and perhaps move and remeasure.... That sounds like really hard work and it probably is.

My experience is that the hard work of finding better positions for speakers is very much worth the effort, and room correction doesn't change that so much, because there are many things room correction cannot fix...

Suddenly when things get right, voices ge cleaner and more realistic, suddenly Bruce Springsteen is there in the room.........

Good luck !!

-Harald

 

[speakerman39]

Hi Phil

I just thought about a few other things.... based on practical experiences with extremely difficult speakers in difficult room... (Duntech PCL-15 in tooooooo reflective room)

What worked for me in such a situation is:

To move speakers as close to listening position as possible, provided better imaging and better soundstage
- You will hear more of the direct sound from speakers and less of the reflected sound and less from the room
- The front wall will be further from speakers, so the influence of front wall may be less bothersome
- You get less room boundary reinforcement, may end up with better upper bass, depending on speakers, you will lose lower bass, but that's no issue whatsoever because you have two subwoofers....

In some occasions I have seen people adding diffusers extremely close to the speaker drivers to tame very difficult rooms, especially narrow rooms, actually we're talking diffusers not on the wall but onto the speakers. I have never tried this myself but sometimes this is suggested to work in difficult rooms.

I suggest you try moving speakers around a bit without doing so much with Audyssey settings until you find something good, and then try remeasuring and perhaps move and remeasure.... That sounds like really hard work and it probably is.

My experience is that the hard work of finding better positions for speakers is very much worth the effort, and room correction doesn't change that so much, because there are many things room correction cannot fix...

Suddenly when things get right, voices ge cleaner and more realistic, suddenly Bruce Springsteen is there in the room.........

Good luck !!

-Harald

Hi Harald, very interesting read. Like you, Mazer suggested I get my fronts out and away of the corners. Then, I plan to experiment with toe-in. My guess, toeing my fronts in a bit will improve the SQ. To be honest, it sounds great now. Trial and error will help me to determine if I can get things to sound even better. My subs seem to sound as if they are running a bit too hot. Had to turn them down when watching Dark Knight the other day. At times, it was down right scary. I am also looking into making my own panels/traps. But, that is further down the road along with a lot of hard work. Thanks Harald for your input. It is much appreciated.

Cheers,

Phil