Ukraine – Russia … not more of the last thread

[trochetier]

I read somewhere that the Taliban supposedly had a saying “The Americans have the clocks, but we have the time.” I have no idea if any members of the Taliban ever actually said this but it seems to fit.

I have read a similar statement from a Taliban commander to a US commander "You have fancy clocks that read milliseconds but we have the time".
Afghans have gotten the better of super powers the British Empire in its heydays, Soviets and now US/NATO. All because they have/had the "time".

Afghanistan has a long interesting history - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Afghanistan

 

[trochetier]

I read somewhere that the Taliban supposedly had a saying “The Americans have the clocks, but we have the time.” I have no idea if any members of the Taliban ever actually said this but it seems to fit.

More like we bugged out according to history also as interpreted by Ken Burns in his documentary The Vietnam War.

 

[mtrycrafts]

I read somewhere that the Taliban supposedly had a saying “The Americans have the clocks, but we have the time.” I have no idea if any members of the Taliban ever actually said this but it seems to fit.

They certainly had the time to outwait the Russians.

 

[Mr._Clark]

More like we bugged out according to history also as interpreted by Ken Burns in his documentary The Vietnam War.

At the risk of getting too far off topic for this thread, the NYT ran an article earlier this year about mistakes the U.S. made in Afghanistan. It was a somewhat painful (for lack of a better word) read for me, but there's no point in giving in to cognitive dissonance and pretending these things didn't happen.

>>>The man’s head is bowed, and he is missing an arm and an eye. Something has happened to him, something awful. . . .

“This man was my sworn enemy,” said the Taliban commander, Mullah Osman Jawhari.

“But do you know who did this to him?” the commander asks, a garish smile spreading over his face.

“It was his friends, the Americans.” . . .

The United States dropped more than 1,000 bombs in a place it never needed to be. Instead of winning hearts and minds, the Americans unwittingly sowed the seeds of their own demise here in the Waygal Valley — just as it did in much of Afghanistan — then stayed for years to reap the harvest.<<<

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/12/world/europe/afghanistan-allies-enemies-nuristan-taliban.html

 

[trochetier]

At the risk of getting too far off topic for this thread, the NYT ran an article earlier this year about mistakes the U.S. made in Afghanistan. It was a somewhat painful (for lack of a better word) read for me, but there's no point in giving in to cognitive dissonance and pretending these things didn't happen.

>>>The man’s head is bowed, and he is missing an arm and an eye. Something has happened to him, something awful. . . .

“This man was my sworn enemy,” said the Taliban commander, Mullah Osman Jawhari.

“But do you know who did this to him?” the commander asks, a garish smile spreading over his face.

“It was his friends, the Americans.” . . .

The United States dropped more than 1,000 bombs in a place it never needed to be. Instead of winning hearts and minds, the Americans unwittingly sowed the seeds of their own demise here in the Waygal Valley — just as it did in much of Afghanistan — then stayed for years to reap the harvest.<<<

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/12/world/europe/afghanistan-allies-enemies-nuristan-taliban.html

If bombs (also wars) will make friends the world will be the happiest place. We would be loved all over. Since the Korean War we have had some sort or the other military action or involvement every decade all in the name of national security and left all those places unstable (exception Vietnam).

 

[Trell]

Below is a YouTube clip about the Swedish artillery system Archer used in an Ukrainian brigade. It's very mobile, precise and easy to use and maintain (as it was intended to be operated by conscripts).

Archer can also use US-Swedish Raytheon-Bofors Excalibur precision guided artillery shell but that is not shown in the clip below. They where used quite a lot early in the war with some spectacular videos published but due to Russian counter measures not as useful any more. I assume counter-counter measures are in development.

At the end of the clip there's an ask for an excavator used to hide the Archer, and there may be more than one such plea, but a few days ago one such excavator was financed by donations in Sweden.