Ukraine – Russia … not more of the last thread

[mtrycrafts]

Nevertheless, all this including supplementals are borrowed money, that means we the tax payers are on the hook for all the interest. Where as the American companies made all the profits.

Don't taxpayers pay for everything, including tariffs and many more, one way or another?

 

[mtrycrafts]

my heads spinning, heading out to dinner in an hour, I think an extra Manhattan or two will be in order. I already told 'Momma' she's got the keys to drive home .....

Tylenol is the answer, buy by the caseload as I do frequently.

 

[Mikado463]

Tylenol is the answer, buy by the caseload as I do frequently.

my doctor says, 'Better' whisky !

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

my doctor says, 'Better' whisky !

And I say better Whiskey!

 

[Mr._Clark]

This about sums it up:

 

[Dude#1279435]

This about sums it up:

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Made with cheetos?

 

[Mr._Clark]

Made with cheetos?

It was super-cheesy.

 

[mtrycrafts]

This about sums it up:

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Is Daily Star next on the chopping block?

 

[Dude#1279435]

Trump rips into Zelensky in unprecedented attack as he brands leader 'dictator'

On Tuesday, Donald Trump had already asked Ukraine to hold elections and seemingly blamed the war on Kyiv.

www.express.co.uk

>>>The 78-year-old claimed the Ukrainian president was "A Dictator without Elections" and that "Zelensky better move fast or he is not going to have a Country left".

In November, all political parties in Ukraine agreed to postpone holding elections until the end of the war, in what is a common practice during war for many countries.

In Britain, there were also no elections during World War 2. A national government was set up by Winston Churchill in 1940 to see the country through to the end of the war on May 23, 1945.

What Mr Trump did not mention is that in Russia, Vladimir Putin has been President since 2012, and from 2000 to 2008, and during his time in office Putin has virtually wiped out political opposition.<<<

 

[Dude#1279435]

yes, you answered one of them, but by not answering the others I assume you have no links or proof ? Regardless I'll answer your 'baited' question.......yes Russia invaded Ukraine 3 years ago. As for the entire picture, shall be go back to 2014 ? lets see, what's his name Obama was prez and I think some guy named Biden was 'Pro counsel to Ukraine' ? Remember the 'NATO umbrella' crap back then ? The name Victoria Nuland mean anything to you ?

Listen, there's been so much shady crap surrounding Ukraine over the years It's tough to know what to believe !

By saying not all the money is accounted for I'm saying it might have been stolen. I'm saying Zelensky might not have been a good negotiator. I'm saying the best option might have been to take a deal sooner than later. But when you're invaded, what are you suppose to do. Give them the land and say ok there ya go? It seems to me if you want to point the finger at Zelensky than the stolen money and negotiating because he has no leverage. It isn't ending the war that's my problem with Trump. It's that he sums it up as Zelensky's fault alone. Take a photo with Putin and see I ended the war. Please, all I ask is Trump doesn't get the Nobel. Cause it's kinda ridiculous.

So I apologize if I'm targeting you. It's not really fair. But I guess as you said the whole thing has become a fiasco.

 

[Dude#1279435]

JD Vance: You better watch what you say about the president, Zelensky.

What did he say?

'Unfortunately, President Trump – I have great respect for him as a leader of a nation that we have great respect for, the American people who always support us – unfortunately lives in this disinformation space,' he said.

Vance warns Zelensky that 'badmouthing' Trump in public will backfire

Vice President J.D. Vance on Wednesday warned the Ukrainian president against attacking President Donald Trump , saying that 'badmouthing' him in public would only backfire.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Trell]

I cannot reply for Mikado. But Russia had been warning of no NATO on its borders with Ukraine for a while. When Berlin wall fell there was a handshake (no formal) agreement between us and USSR that NATO will not expand eastward towards USSR borders. That agreement did not hold. So finally, they reacted. Recall how we reacted when USSR put missiles in Cuba? Fortunately, cooler heads prevailed.

You're repeating Russian propaganda and misinformation.

 

[Trell]

Europe has been sending money to fund the Ukrainian government expense. US has provided the bulk of the weapons and money too.

You missed this post of mine from yesterday with a graph over Ukraine aid, and USA has provided much weaponry simple because Europe is not capable to do so (yet) as much of the infrastructure for producing them have been reduced since the fall of the Soviet Union. A big chunk of the weapons Europe are giving to Ukraine are also US made.

As for money, Ukraine do get money but that is minor compared to other aid, and I actually wrote that in my post you replied to.

 

[Trell]

Trump rips into Zelensky in unprecedented attack as he brands leader 'dictator'

On Tuesday, Donald Trump had already asked Ukraine to hold elections and seemingly blamed the war on Kyiv.

www.express.co.uk

>>>The 78-year-old claimed the Ukrainian president was "A Dictator without Elections" and that "Zelensky better move fast or he is not going to have a Country left".

In November, all political parties in Ukraine agreed to postpone holding elections until the end of the war, in what is a common practice during war for many countries.

In Britain, there were also no elections during World War 2. A national government was set up by Winston Churchill in 1940 to see the country through to the end of the war on May 23, 1945.

What Mr Trump did not mention is that in Russia, Vladimir Putin has been President since 2012, and from 2000 to 2008, and during his time in office Putin has virtually wiped out political opposition.<<<

Ukraine cannot hold elections during time of martial law.

Similar laws exists in other countries as well: In Sweden an election to the Parliament during war time can only be held if 3/4 of the Parliament decides so and elections can never be held on occupied Swedish territory.

>>>...The Constitution of Ukraine prohibits holding elections to the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine under martial law.

“According to Article 83 of the Constitution, parliamentary elections cannot be held during martial law. This article is interpreted in different ways, but in my opinion, it is straightforward and says clearly that the powers of the parliament, which operates during martial law, cannot be terminated. Accordingly, there can be no elections if the legislative branch’s powers cannot be suspended during martial law”, says Olha Aivazovska, Head of the Board of the Civil Network OPORA.

In simple terms, elections can only be held unless changes to Ukraine’s primary law are adopted, which is also impossible under martial law following Article 157 of the Constitution. Ukrainian legislation also prohibits the termination of the powers of state authorities (the President, the Verkhovna Rada, the Cabinet of Ministers, the National Bank, and some others) under martial law.

In addition, even a change in Ukrainian legislation would not solve the problem of security, financial, and legal factors that complicate the organization of elections in Ukraine during the full-scale war. ... <<<

https://war.ukraine.ua/articles/not-sacrificing-democracy-why-ukraine-cannot-hold-elections-under-the-martial-law/

 

[Trell]

Karma. Russian drone operators have repeatedly attacked civilians.

>>>A Ukrainian military intelligence (HUR) operation was behind the detonations of goggles for first-person-view (FPV) drones used by Russian soldiers, a HUR source told the Kyiv Independent on Feb. 20.

The news comes after Russian pro-war Telegram channels reported a series of explosions of FPV goggles while they were being used by Russian drone operators.

According to the source, HUR bought a large batch of FPV goggles for the operation and rigged them with explosives and a detonation mechanism.

"Russian volunteers" subsequently donated the goggles to Russian drone units "in coordination" with the agency, according to the source.

"Today, the horrors of war are literally happening right before the eyes of Russian FPV pilots. This is a well-deserved punishment for the war crimes that the Russian occupiers commit against Ukraine every day," the HUR source said.

The Kyiv Independent could not verify these claims.

Throughout Russia’s full-scale invasion, Ukraine and Russia have heavily invested in drone technology, revolutionizing warfare.

Various aerial, naval, and ground drones have been developed and often successfully used for reconnaissance, combat, and other tasks by Ukrainian troops.

FPV drones are cheap to manufacture and can be precisely flown into targets, allowing their users to destroy much more expensive military equipment.<<<

Ukraine behind FPV goggles explosions in Russia, source claims

According to the source, HUR bought a large batch of FPV goggles for the operation and rigged them with explosives and a detonation mechanism.

kyivindependent.com

 

[Dude#1279435]

I cannot reply for Mikado. But Russia had been warning of no NATO on its borders with Ukraine for a while. When Berlin wall fell there was a handshake (no formal) agreement between us and USSR that NATO will not expand eastward towards USSR borders. That agreement did not hold. So finally, they reacted. Recall how we reacted when USSR put missiles in Cuba? Fortunately, cooler heads prevailed.

It's odd to think the reason Putin invaded Ukraine was because Nato came closer to its borders. I'm more inclined to think its because he doesn't want close eyes on what he's doing with his troops.

 

[Mikado463]

It's odd to think the reason Putin invaded Ukraine was because Nato came closer to its borders.

Really ??

perhaps you weren't around or old enough to remember.......

Cuban Missile Crisis - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I was only 9 but still remember the fear of God in my parents faces.

 

[Mikado463]

More charts to digest .........

Infographic: The Countries Sending the Most Aid to Ukraine

This chart shows the countries which have committed the most aid to Ukraine, by type, from January 2022 to December 2024.

www.statista.com

 

[GO-NAD!]

Really ??

perhaps you weren't around or old enough to remember.......

Cuban Missile Crisis - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I was only 9 but still remember the fear of God in my parents faces.

NATO was already at Russia's borders when Ukraine was invaded. Ukraine wanted to join NATO for the same reason other former Eastern Bloc Countries joined - because they were afraid of being invaded by Russia.

 

[Dude#1279435]

NATO was already at Russia's borders when Ukraine was invaded. Ukraine wanted to join NATO for the same reason other former Eastern Bloc Countries joined - because they were afraid of being invaded by Russia.

Seems to me Putin would prefer no Nato alliance to make it easier to take over territory.