S steve64 Enthusiast Sep 20, 2015 22 0 1 75 Aug 27, 2019 #1 Are there any multi-channel pre-pros out there that are the equal of high-end stereo separates?
lovinthehd Audioholic Jedi Sep 11, 2012 44,868 0 113 Oakridge, OR Aug 27, 2019 #2 Define high end stereo separates to an extent....some pre-pros might even be better, especially at anything beyond 2.0 Reactions: PENG and ryanosaur
Define high end stereo separates to an extent....some pre-pros might even be better, especially at anything beyond 2.0
S steve64 Enthusiast Sep 20, 2015 22 0 1 75 Aug 27, 2019 #3 lovinthehd said: Define high end stereo separates to an extent....some pre-pros might even be better, especially at anything beyond 2.0 Click to expand... 13k worth of Mac pre and power
lovinthehd said: Define high end stereo separates to an extent....some pre-pros might even be better, especially at anything beyond 2.0 Click to expand... 13k worth of Mac pre and power
L Leemix Audioholic General Sep 24, 2017 1,092 0 63 51 Aug 28, 2019 #5 You might consider using the home theater bypass if your pre has that, that way you are a bit more free with choosing a surround processor.
You might consider using the home theater bypass if your pre has that, that way you are a bit more free with choosing a surround processor.
AcuDefTechGuy Audioholic Jedi Jul 10, 2007 34,057 0 113 Aug 28, 2019 #6 If you must spend that much money, the upcoming ATI ATP-16 is $10K MSRP. Hopefully available by end of year. Last edited: Aug 28, 2019
If you must spend that much money, the upcoming ATI ATP-16 is $10K MSRP. Hopefully available by end of year.
P PENG Audioholic Slumlord Oct 23, 2004 19,797 0 113 Ontario Aug 28, 2019 #7 steve64 said: 13k worth of Mac pre and power Click to expand... Probably none or very few in terms of specs and quality of parts used etc., but McIntosh has made many preamps so it might help if you narrow that down to the specific models instead of 13K worth of preamp and power amp. It spends on how much is on the preamp, and are you comparing to their analog only preamps?
steve64 said: 13k worth of Mac pre and power Click to expand... Probably none or very few in terms of specs and quality of parts used etc., but McIntosh has made many preamps so it might help if you narrow that down to the specific models instead of 13K worth of preamp and power amp. It spends on how much is on the preamp, and are you comparing to their analog only preamps?
S steve64 Enthusiast Sep 20, 2015 22 0 1 75 Aug 28, 2019 #8 MAC c-50, which does have a theater bypass. also, a 275mkv1 for the front left and right.
AcuDefTechGuy Audioholic Jedi Jul 10, 2007 34,057 0 113 Aug 28, 2019 #9 steve64 said: MAC c-50, which does have a theater bypass. also, a 275mkv1 for the front left and right. Click to expand... Why not get a McIntosh MX-122 pre-pro?
steve64 said: MAC c-50, which does have a theater bypass. also, a 275mkv1 for the front left and right. Click to expand... Why not get a McIntosh MX-122 pre-pro?
lovinthehd Audioholic Jedi Sep 11, 2012 44,868 0 113 Oakridge, OR Aug 28, 2019 #10 Or something like the Trinnov https://www.trinnov.com/altitude_32/ or maybe Storm https://www.stormaudio.com/en/products/av-immersive-sound-processors/
Or something like the Trinnov https://www.trinnov.com/altitude_32/ or maybe Storm https://www.stormaudio.com/en/products/av-immersive-sound-processors/
L Leemix Audioholic General Sep 24, 2017 1,092 0 63 51 Aug 29, 2019 #11 A nice marantz or yamaha processor and use the HT bypass of your pre would be less costly and work very well.
A nice marantz or yamaha processor and use the HT bypass of your pre would be less costly and work very well.
P PENG Audioholic Slumlord Oct 23, 2004 19,797 0 113 Ontario Aug 29, 2019 #12 steve64 said: MAC c-50, which does have a theater bypass. also, a 275mkv1 for the front left and right. Click to expand... Then you are all set, just use the bypass. I highly doubt you will find a multi-channel prepro (assuming you need at least 7 channel processing if not 13) equal as such in terms of build quality, components and parts used, aesthetics etc. A few may be almost equal (+/-), in terms of sound quality and functional capabilities, but it would ultimately depend on how you define equal.
steve64 said: MAC c-50, which does have a theater bypass. also, a 275mkv1 for the front left and right. Click to expand... Then you are all set, just use the bypass. I highly doubt you will find a multi-channel prepro (assuming you need at least 7 channel processing if not 13) equal as such in terms of build quality, components and parts used, aesthetics etc. A few may be almost equal (+/-), in terms of sound quality and functional capabilities, but it would ultimately depend on how you define equal.
AcuDefTechGuy Audioholic Jedi Jul 10, 2007 34,057 0 113 Aug 29, 2019 #13 Leemix said: A nice marantz or yamaha processor and use the HT bypass of your pre would be less costly and work very well. Click to expand... I would take my Yamaha CX-A5100 pre-pro any day over any Mark Levinson, Krell, McIntosh, Bryston Analog Stereo Preamp. The reason is because even when I listen to 2Ch CD, I use NeuralX, and none of those preamps have NeuralX.
Leemix said: A nice marantz or yamaha processor and use the HT bypass of your pre would be less costly and work very well. Click to expand... I would take my Yamaha CX-A5100 pre-pro any day over any Mark Levinson, Krell, McIntosh, Bryston Analog Stereo Preamp. The reason is because even when I listen to 2Ch CD, I use NeuralX, and none of those preamps have NeuralX.
P PENG Audioholic Slumlord Oct 23, 2004 19,797 0 113 Ontario Aug 29, 2019 #14 AcuDefTechGuy said: I would take my Yamaha CX-A5100 pre-pro any day over any Mark Levinson, Krell, McIntosh, Bryston Analog Stereo Preamp. The reason is because even when I listen to 2Ch CD, I use NeuralX, and none of those preamps have NeuralX. Click to expand... Easy for you to say, you are not a purist. Reactions: Danzilla31
AcuDefTechGuy said: I would take my Yamaha CX-A5100 pre-pro any day over any Mark Levinson, Krell, McIntosh, Bryston Analog Stereo Preamp. The reason is because even when I listen to 2Ch CD, I use NeuralX, and none of those preamps have NeuralX. Click to expand... Easy for you to say, you are not a purist.
AcuDefTechGuy Audioholic Jedi Jul 10, 2007 34,057 0 113 Aug 29, 2019 #15 PENG said: Easy for you to say, you are not a purist. Click to expand... I used to be one. I am cured now.
PENG said: Easy for you to say, you are not a purist. Click to expand... I used to be one. I am cured now.
P PENG Audioholic Slumlord Oct 23, 2004 19,797 0 113 Ontario Aug 29, 2019 #16 AcuDefTechGuy said: I used to be one. I am cured now. Click to expand... Me too. The cure did cost me a fortune though.
AcuDefTechGuy said: I used to be one. I am cured now. Click to expand... Me too. The cure did cost me a fortune though.
lovinthehd Audioholic Jedi Sep 11, 2012 44,868 0 113 Oakridge, OR Aug 29, 2019 #17 I'm more curious what speakers @steve64 has for the pricey electronics.... Reactions: AcuDefTechGuy
AcuDefTechGuy Audioholic Jedi Jul 10, 2007 34,057 0 113 Aug 30, 2019 #18 lovinthehd said: I'm more curious what speakers @steve64 has for the pricey electronics.... Click to expand... They better not be Bose or Zu Audio with FR of +/-10dB. Reactions: Danzilla31
lovinthehd said: I'm more curious what speakers @steve64 has for the pricey electronics.... Click to expand... They better not be Bose or Zu Audio with FR of +/-10dB.
S steve64 Enthusiast Sep 20, 2015 22 0 1 75 Aug 31, 2019 #19 I believe speakers and cartridges should be commensurate with the electronics. However, this thread is about the sound quality of AVP's or AVR"s compared to separates.
I believe speakers and cartridges should be commensurate with the electronics. However, this thread is about the sound quality of AVP's or AVR"s compared to separates.
AcuDefTechGuy Audioholic Jedi Jul 10, 2007 34,057 0 113 Aug 31, 2019 #20 steve64 said: I believe speakers and cartridges should be commensurate with the electronics. However, this thread is about the sound quality of AVP's or AVR"s compared to separates. Click to expand... What are some AVPs you've looked at (at least online)? Personally, I've listened to many ultra high-end preamps from ML, Bryston, Krell and they don't sound any better than these new AVPs (Yamaha, Marantz, Anthem). And if you have an Atmos/DTSX system with overhead speakers, these AVPs will probably give you better sound with the awesome upmixing of NeuralX for 2Ch music. I've sold all my SACD, DVDA, DTS CDs and I now think that NeuralX makes my 2Ch CDs sound better than any of those "HD Audio" formats ever sounded. I think the AVPs from Yamaha, Marantz, Anthem are great. If you must spend more money, then the Bryston and ATI AVPs would be great.
steve64 said: I believe speakers and cartridges should be commensurate with the electronics. However, this thread is about the sound quality of AVP's or AVR"s compared to separates. Click to expand... What are some AVPs you've looked at (at least online)? Personally, I've listened to many ultra high-end preamps from ML, Bryston, Krell and they don't sound any better than these new AVPs (Yamaha, Marantz, Anthem). And if you have an Atmos/DTSX system with overhead speakers, these AVPs will probably give you better sound with the awesome upmixing of NeuralX for 2Ch music. I've sold all my SACD, DVDA, DTS CDs and I now think that NeuralX makes my 2Ch CDs sound better than any of those "HD Audio" formats ever sounded. I think the AVPs from Yamaha, Marantz, Anthem are great. If you must spend more money, then the Bryston and ATI AVPs would be great.
