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Chris in Dallas

Junior Audioholic
I only intended to find it so I can give you a link, but I'm halfway through the damn thread now. I'm LOL'ing all over again. HDs reply after he posted the image of those speakers....

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Ha ha!

*Edit: I miss ol' @Klipschhead302! He was fun. Haven't seen him in a while now.
Alright, that was truly a treat to read. If that was a troll the world needs more like him. He did put in a good amount of work either way though. Thank you for the link to that and I’ll forget all about any idea I had to add a tweeter. Lol
 
NINaudio

NINaudio

Audioholic Samurai
Alright, that was truly a treat to read. If that was a troll the world needs more like him. He did put in a good amount of work either way though. Thank you for the link to that and I’ll forget all about any idea I had to add a tweeter. Lol
Gentlemen, our work here is done!
 
Matthew J Poes

Matthew J Poes

Audioholic Chief
Staff member
Hah ok now I feel like I should add a serious bit to help educate a little here.

Add on tweeters ARE a thing in home audio, but in a different way. A lot of folks have gotten into adding super tweeters to speakers because they want to extend their bandwidth. Call it the HD of audio. It can help make a regular speaker and turn it into an HD speaker.

So is this a thing? Does this need to be done? Does it have merit?

Yes and no, but really, mostly no. There is scant evidence and little of it reliable that suggests we can actually hear the benefits of a super tweeter. There is some good evidence that music recorded using higher sampling rates (and thus supersonic bandwidth) is of some benefit, but we don't know that this is because of supersonic benefits or simply moving problems out of the sonic range.

Let's just pretend like supersonic speakers are of benefit though. Would adding a supertweeter to a regular speaker be good? No I really don't think so. The problem is ensuring good integration. Typically adding tweeters onto regular speakers leads to poor integration in the audible zone. So sure you have a speaker that might have a response extended out to 50khz, but you caused problems at 10khz. 10khz matters a lot more than 50khz.

On top of that, many people do not own systems with a bandwidth out to 50khz, so the tweeters are added for nothing. No benefit.

If you don't like the highs of your speakers, sell them and buy new speakers. I know that is way more expensive than add on tweeters, but add on tweeters are generally a bad idea. you need to really know what you are doing to make that work.
 
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Chris in Dallas

Junior Audioholic
Hah ok now I feel like I should add a serious bit to help educate a little here.

Add on tweeters ARE a thing in home audio, but in a different way. A lot of folks have gotten into adding super tweeters to speakers because they want to extend their bandwidth. Call it the HD of audio. It can help make a regular speaker and turn it into an HD speaker.

So is this a thing? Does this need to be done? Does it have merit?

Yes and no, but really, mostly no. There is scant evidence and little of it reliable that suggests we can actually hear the benefits of a super tweeter. There is some good evidence that music recorded using higher sampling rates (and thus supersonic bandwidth) is of some benefit, but we don't know that this is because of supersonic benefits or simply moving problems out of the sonic range.

Let's just pretend like supersonic speakers are of benefit though. Would adding a supertweeter to a regular speaker be good? No I really don't think so. The problem is ensuring good integration. Typically adding tweeters onto regular speakers leads to poor integration in the audible zone. So sure you have a speaker that might have a response extended out to 50khz, but you caused problems at 10khz. 10khz matters a lot more than 50khz.

On top of that, many people do not own systems with a bandwidth out to 50khz, so the tweeters are added for nothing. No benefit.

If you don't like the highs of your speakers, sell them and buy new speakers. I know that is way more expensive than add on tweeters, but add on tweeters are generally a bad idea. you need to really know what you are doing to make that work.
I thank everyone for the information! One thing that I’m learning with my newly purchased dcms is that they don’t seem to have e same tweeter “snap” I was used to. This is a new term to me and one that I now actually hear what it means. I’m sure it’s just a matter of me getting broken in to the speakers characteristics. Not a bad thing im just the curious type. Not curious enough however to create a frankenspeaker. Again thank you all
 
Pogre

Pogre

Audioholic Slumlord
I thank everyone for the information! One thing that I’m learning with my newly purchased dcms is that they don’t seem to have e same tweeter “snap” I was used to. This is a new term to me and one that I now actually hear what it means. I’m sure it’s just a matter of me getting broken in to the speakers characteristics. Not a bad thing im just the curious type. Not curious enough however to create a frankenspeaker. Again thank you all
Play with the toe in a little bit. Some speakers sound better when pointed directly at you and some sound better toed out a little more.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
I thank everyone for the information! One thing that I’m learning with my newly purchased dcms is that they don’t seem to have e same tweeter “snap” I was used to. This is a new term to me and one that I now actually hear what it means. I’m sure it’s just a matter of me getting broken in to the speakers characteristics. Not a bad thing im just the curious type. Not curious enough however to create a frankenspeaker. Again thank you all
What were the previous speakers?
 
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Chris in Dallas

Junior Audioholic
I'd give it some time and see if this is an issue over time. People need to break in a lot more than speakers usually :)

Did you ever get fatigued by the Sony speakers?
Actually yes now that you mention it. Ive got these outlaws hooked up and will rerun that room correction probably tomorrow and spend time with it all. Those amps are super heavy when stacked. I can’t imagine 5 or more. I just bought a used audio rack but can’t use it as it’s got glass shelves. Don’t have that tempered green tint either. One more item to search for I suppose.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Actually yes now that you mention it. Ive got these outlaws hooked up and will rerun that room correction probably tomorrow and spend time with it all. Those amps are super heavy when stacked. I can’t imagine 5 or more. I just bought a used audio rack but can’t use it as it’s got glass shelves. Don’t have that tempered green tint either. One more item to search for I suppose.
Or build a simple rack yourself? Yes, as soon as you change amp/speaker/sub you should rerun the setup/req. Glass does have limits but I have a glass shelf rack that I think is rated up to 40 lbs per shelf or something. Most I've tried is probably 25-30, tho so 54 I might not even try without looking my spec back up.
 
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NINaudio

NINaudio

Audioholic Samurai
The top glass shelf on my new entertainment center is rated for up to 150 lbs. The two glass shelves under it for 50 lbs each.
 
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Chris in Dallas

Junior Audioholic
Or build a simple rack yourself? Yes, as soon as you change amp/speaker/sub you should rerun the setup/req. Glass does have limits but I have a glass shelf rack that I think is rated up to 40 lbs per shelf or something. Most I've tried is probably 25-30, tho so 54 I might not even try without looking my spec back up.
Just to make sure... There are no changes I need to make other than rerunning auddessy? I disconnected the lcr speaker wires from the avr and used the rca preouts instead. I should be ready to calibrate then yes?
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Just to make sure... There are no changes I need to make other than rerunning auddessy? I disconnected the lcr speaker wires from the avr and used the rca preouts instead. I should be ready to calibrate then yes?
Yes, you need to allow the software to adjust for level differences between external/internal amps.
 

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